RF, take it easy now........sw, myself & whoever else want's to weigh in with our opinions on this subject. I'm not saying I'm totally right or wrong & same goes for sw. I would be courious however with a 'poll' (we like polls don't we everyone? ;) ) which members purchased their Lexus' brand new vs. used (or 'pre-owned' as some like to refer them to B) ). I'd be willing to bet cash on what camp comes out on top! :D I wonder why that is? ;) :whistles: But it's all in good fun on here & the debate will no doubt go on... just like synthetic vs. dino oil, automatic vs. manual, Dorito's vs. Lay's, Yankee's vs. Red Sox lol. It's all good.