i dunno how i could have but i forgot about this example. so your telling me you can shift faster than a paddle shifter, which IS a automatic tranny.....face it man, autos suck we ALL know this. especially for fun,spirited driving BUT you'll always be faster in the long run with a auto. if you take the same two cars with like mods, ones a auto and ones a manual and race over a mile (think loss of boost will be insignificant in the quarter but maybe not) or so, the auto will have lost LESS boost pressure in between shifts (as it changes gears faster so again less loss of boost pressure) taking the manual more time/effort/energy to play catch up. if i was drag racing i would rather have a turbo supra than a stick supra....i promise B)