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You have to see the Lincoln's interior in person...it shows much better than in pictures. Its different than the Lexus, its much straighter and more "American" and that either appeals to you or doesn't. As for the leather in the Genesis the upper models do have better leather, its probably close to the best leather I've felt in a car... You can't blame them for leaving the H off the front ;)

They're not going to last any longer. My H rated Primacy's have lasted about the same as my V rated MXV4+, nowhere near the treadwear warranty by the way. Not all that surprised...

Aha! Figured it out. You must have driven a completely base car. As per Hyundai's website the power tilt/telescoping steering column is part of the Premium package, which is the base package without even navigation. The only Genesis without that feature is the base car with no option packages. Hardly a fair comparison to the ES350...you need to look at a car with the tech package. That car doesn't even have the upgraded audio and is nearly $10,000 cheaper than the ES. Check it out: http://www.hyundaiusa.com/genesis/pricing.aspx On the Lincoln you can clearly see the control for the power tilt/telescoping wheel on the column...and this MKS is completely basic...

Part of reviewing something though requires you to detach yourself from the emotion you feel for your vehicle. I spent $40,000 on the car too. I drove two seperate Genesis (a V8 and a V6) for 40 minutes each...the Hyundai Genesis ABSOLUTELY has a power tilt and telescoping steering column that operates with the ignition the same way Lexus does. The Lincoln ABSOLUTELY does too, I drove it for 40 minutes also. Honestly, almost every luxury branded car has this now. Go on the www.hyundaigenesis.com website and do the interior virtual tour, the first thing it shows is the power tilt/telescopic wheel coming down into place.

For that price difference I'd buy the Vs, but probably no difference. You obsess like me ;)

Thats the statement I read. That reads a lot differently then what you had originally said though...

Yeah...cost savings.

You have to bear in mind that people say they have "experienced" the issue when they really haven't at all...

I think you might be a little bit biased. Read the reviews of the Genesis. You won't find one reviewer who felt the materials in the interior were anything but excellent. The materials on the ES350 are fine, but they are a downgrade from the materials the car used to have. Thats my issue moreso than how the materials themselves fare compared to the competition. You're not allowing yourself to get past all the intangible BS the Lexus brand affords you. You've bought into it, which is fine I also enjoy it. When you take the lifestyle out of the equation though and just look at the merits of the cars you simply can't come to the conclusion that the ES and the Genesis are on the same level. The Genesis is much more car, for less money. Plain and simple. You must have sat in a 2009, lots of them on the lots. They added a three pod optitron gauge cluster for 2010 which is much better. Keep in mind that part of Lincoln's overall styling theme these days is that the cars are supposed to be a little bit retro... How can you not compare two cars that are exactly the same price? Remember also that the Genesis also comes in a V6, and with the V6 and no tech package (which would compare to the loaded ES350) it is cheaper than the ES. With the V6 and the tech package it is cheaper than the ES and has WAY more features. I promise you ES350 buyers are driving the Genesis. Even if you compared the Genesis to the LS, where the LS would be smoother and quieter but offers no real option benefit, the same performance, and slightly less interior volume for $30,000 more! You could buy a Genesis 4.6 sedan and a Genesis coupe for the weekends for the price of an LS460. You could buy a Genesis and join a Country Club and get all the haughty nonsense you want for the cost of an LS460. You have to look at what you get for that $30k over the Genesis, you get a better riding and quieter car, and Lexus prestige. Thats it...even with the LS. Wait until Hyundai rolls out the Equus...your argument is exactly what everyone said when the LS400 came out in 1989 at a similar price savings to Mercedes and BMW...and look what happened. Yes it does, just like the Lexus....and the Lincoln...and the Acura...and the Infiniti. Everybody does. Yes it does, just like the Lexus....and the Lincoln...and the Acura...and the Infiniti. Everybody does. I could not disagree more. In fact I don't think the Germans have anything to compete with the ES, the C and 3 are too small and too sporty, and the E and 5 are too expensive. I don't really think ES buyers are shopping the Germans, but they are looking at the Genesis, the Lincoln MKZ and MKS, the Acura TL, and the Infiniti G and M. The competition is fierce in this segment now, and the ES is outdated and under equipped. The only thing you can give it nowadays is it rides really well and is really quiet, its very reliable. These alternative brands are catching up on prestige, quality, reliability, and dealer experience. Pretending Lexus doesn't have come catching up to do doesn't help them. We all want them to keep making the best cars on the road but I think its becoming apparent that they have been resting on their laurels for the last 5 years or so. Lexus and Toyota both. Go sit in a Rav 4 and a Hyundai Santa Fe...or the new Hyundai Tuscon, the Rav4 feels pathetically cheap in comparison, for MORE money! Hyundai is building the kinds of vehicles Toyota used to build, and look at the sales figues. Hyundai is one of the only companies who'se sales figures and market share have GROWN during the recession. Toyota has lost 30%, Hyundai is up 10%. Value and quality is very important in this post-recession world an Hyundai is making all the right moves. It seems to me more and more Toyota is making all the wrong ones... I would be really hard pressed to buy a Toyota today over a Hyundai. The Sonata is much more car than the Camry and cheaper, the Santa Fe and Tuscon are much more car than the Rav 4. The Elantra is much more car than the Corolla. The Highlander is still a great vehicle but its WAY WAY too expensive. and cheaper. The Sienna van...but I'd rather have a Honda Odyssey. The Prius is still in a class of its own.

Yeah I agree. The argument that push-button ignition systems are dangerous is meaningless also if everyone just takes a moment to figure out how to turn their particular car off in the event of an emergency.

Thats what you said last time ;)

Run a search, the sequence is on here...

Remember though...she's too busy to help herself.

The zigzag pattern (called a gated shifter) is no easier to overshoot neutral in than an inline shifter. I much prefer the gated shifter, to me its much more precise and harder to overshoot the gears. I don't believe the car will shift into reverse at speed...

Only problem with teaching is the money, otherwise I would have loved to be a teacher too. Hard to afford a Lexus as a teacher ;) Kudos to you though...

Leatherique is a better product, theres no question about that but the Lexol is a good product. Must have been an issue of application technique. I used Lexol for years and years and never had the results you describe...

John Edwards is totally a loser. I don't know how he expected to be President and not have something like that come out... I read the transcript that included that line and it definately didn't say "the past 8 years"...

Vinylex is for...vinyl. Why would you use it on leather? You said you used it for years...why would you have used it for years if you didn't like the results?

Could be on the Escalade, but not on the STS, CTS, or SRX. Haven't specifically looked at the Escalade.

Yeah but thats not exactly what he said. He didn't directly mention the prior 8 years. He said it was the same frustration with the current situation in the country, and were frustrated with the pace at which things have been improving. I can't find the specific quote but I will. Still way too early to predict who will win in 2012. Even if the Dems loose control of the house and senate in the midterms its still too early to tell. Clinton lost the house and senate and went on to win re-election. That said I am frustrated with the Democrats. That campaign in MA was a travesty of arrogance and entitlement and they got what they deserved.

I just don't see how you could find any of the materials inside the Lincoln cheap. They are different than the materials in the Lexus...but they are all soft and well padded, everything is leather, real wood, or chrome. In fact I think the materials are better than anything Lexus offers right now except maybe the LS... As a matter of fact I felt the same way about the interior of the Ford Taurus. WORLDS better than the Camry... Caddys all have real wood and leather by the way, the wood trim is Zepelli. I don't care for their interiors either though. The new SRX is pretty nice...

I know I've given you a hard time about your mods over the years...but this is pretty cool and you are definately getting really good at it. I know you're going to school to be an engineer...any thoughts on doing something in automotive design when you get out?

Its just style. The 2010 has a chrome moulding, its just at the bottom of the door.

Brakes will commonly make some noise when backing up because the rotors are worn by braking while going forward. However, they shouldn't make that loud or distinct a noise. Having the rotors resurfaced will fix it I'm sure. Not a warranty repair probably...

Honestly? I wouldn't. My guess is its operating as designed.