All I can think of is either Cadillac/ Lincoln crossovers or implants from other forums or manufacturers, God forbid. LOL, in this age of Clintons nothing surprises me. I have owned a 400, 430 and the 08 460 is the best ride of all. As you may or not be aware of I have had extensive experience with 07 S550's and 08 S600. I would like to hear what you harsh riders have been driving. I also would be interested in your Dealer, and Service Ticket write up numbers to substantuate these claims. I'm sure Lexus would be too. It seems to me that we need to clear this up. So 08ls460/is400?, and other qualified or non, what is your history with LS's and "previous" vehicles and your expectations or assumptions. All I heard before is the LS is a boat. Now that it has met BMW/MB, more than halfway and not beating your back out, rock solid in turns, it's more solid than before. Quieter than a 550/600, the best of all worlds, I promise. Hopefuly, we can clear these accusations up.