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#1 Jimhof

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 05:13 PM

We have a 2000 ES300 and the timing belt change interval is shown as 90000. We had a 1997 before and the interval was 120000. We had no problem waiting to 120000 before. Are the dealers just trying to make more money since they also want to replace the water pump and helf a dozen other items? They didn't do all that on our '97. I want to do what the car needs, but many times I've found the factory recommendation are much more than's needed. If I wait until later, can the engine be damaged if it breaks? That is, can the valves float clear.

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 08:40 PM

your 2000 ES is an "interference" engine meaning that damage could/will occur the timing belt break while the engine is running.

keep in mind, that the maintanence schedule is suggested by the manufacturer, you are free to perform any of these services when you see fit. You can pay them now or you can pay them later.  :whistles:

Personally I would shop around and find the best price. When my 02 hits 90k I will go for broke and do the water pump, pulleys, tensioner, thermostat, seals and TB. I have got a good inde up here who is lexus and toyota certified. Check out Toyota service centers as well as independents and Lexus. Shop around, this is a steep one.

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Posted 26 February 2005 - 08:57 PM

Keep in mind that the waterpump on these cars normally last 90-100k. If the waterpump bearing wears out & seizes up i'll take out the timing belt & with the interference engine it will usually bent the valves which will require extensive cylinder head work. I normally have the belt replaced between 90-100k. Better safe than sorry.

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 07:13 AM

your 2000 ES is an "interference" engine meaning that damage could/will occur the timing belt break while the engine is running.

keep in mind, that the maintanence schedule is suggested by the manufacturer, you are free to perform any of these services when you see fit.  You can pay them now or you can pay them later. :whistles:

Personally I would shop around and find the best price.  When my 02 hits 90k I will go for broke and do the water pump, pulleys, tensioner, thermostat, seals and TB.  I have got a good inde up here who is lexus and toyota certified.  Check out Toyota service centers as well as independents and Lexus.  Shop around, this is a steep one.

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Steve- Dumb question but what/where are these seals? ARe these for the pulleys, valve???

My ES.98, goes in for "all the above" in about 8K miles.

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 12:46 PM

I'm sure Steve is referring to the camshaft & crankshaft seals which are located behind the timing belt cover. These seals are normally replaced during a timing belt replacement. Sorry Steve, didn't mean an disrespect by answering the question.

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Posted 27 February 2005 - 08:32 PM

I'm sure Steve is referring to the camshaft & crankshaft seals which are located behind the timing belt cover. These seals are normally replaced during a timing belt replacement.  Sorry Steve, didn't mean an disrespect by answering the question.

 


you are absolutely right as to the seals I was referring to.
And no disrespect taken. I'm glad Mike's question was answered in a timely manner.

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Posted 28 February 2005 - 09:35 PM

Thanks for the responses guys. I wanted to make sure I wasn't being overly cautious in maintaining it. It set me back a little to see a $1300 service bill coming around. Thought they may be doing more than is really needed.

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 06:46 AM

Thanks for the responses guys. I wanted to make sure I wasn't being overly cautious in maintaining it. It set me back a little to see a $1300 service bill coming around. Thought they may be doing more than is really needed.

 



$1300!!! for what? Can you list the items you wanted done?

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 03:25 PM

$1300 sounds more like the 90k service price which includes the total TB replacement.

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Posted 01 March 2005 - 04:32 PM

$1300 sounds more like the 90k service price which includes the total TB replacement.

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Well I called around (3) Lexus dealers and boy, the prices for the SAME thing are a joke.

Herb Chambers (MA): (Water pump & Timing Belt): $850.00 plus tax
Hoffman (CT); Timing Belt $500, and Water pump is $200: $700
Balise (MA): Timing belt $399.95, Water pump $212.50: $616.50

Hoffma and Blaise all state they check WP and to see if you need but the prices are listed.

All prices are installed. The prices are weird.

I also asked about the items Stevej listed:
(water pump, pulleys, tensioner, thermostat, seals and TB)

Herb Chambers: #1250.XX
Hoffman: Around $980
Balise: Aroud $1,000

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 06:32 AM

I have got a good inde up here who is lexus and toyota certified.  Check out Toyota service centers as well as independents and Lexus.  Shop around, this is a steep one.

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Stieviej,

I'm in the Mass area as well, could you share with me who you think lexus and toyota certified shops?

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 11:51 AM

Luccetti's on Rt 139 in Marshfield. excellent prices and serives.
Sullivan Bros AutoMall of Rt 3 in Kingston (Toyota dealer but Lexus certified).

I am very satisfied with Lexus of Norwood, but I have also developed a good repore with them.

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 12:34 PM

Luccetti's on Rt 139 in Marshfield.  excellent prices and serives.
Sullivan Bros AutoMall of Rt 3 in Kingston (Toyota dealer but Lexus certified).

I am very satisfied with Lexus of Norwood, but I have also developed a good repore with them. 

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I agree that Lexus of Norwood (herb chambers) is very good, but (in my eyes) they are not that good for the extra $234.XX for the same service that I got from another Lexus dealer.

My guess is they sell the cars for less but make up for it with higher service prices.

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 12:39 PM

Thanks to both Steve and Mike.

You guys know the es300 real well and always offer good advice!

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Posted 02 April 2005 - 12:46 PM

Thanks to both Steve and Mike.

You guys know the es300 real well and always offer good advice!

 


I do not know the ES that well or as good as Steve in this case. :)

I just know what I do by asking and since I just got all this stuff done about 3 weeks ago. I really wanted to go to Herb Chambers since I like there staff etc, but when I saw the price (and the 1.5 hour drive) I said no way...and then called around.

So my local Lexus dealer (15 minutes down the road) was cheaper with TB, WB, drive belts, cam& crank seals then HC wanted just for the TB and WP...weird.

That is why I called Eric Scarpellini at Herb Chamber and boy, BONG.

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