Lexusfreak

Agreed! I should be wiser than Yoda then :whistles: :D I just vacumed my Condo! lmao :P ;) Nuff said B) Now if the temperature here can get just a tad warmer than -25 c, I can clean my car!

Good Luck Lev! & yes change the differential fluid as well. I don't think you can go wrong with the Toyota / Lexus kind. B)

See how thick the doors are on the Presidents ride? DAMN!!! I watched a show on A&E or TLC or something & most of the 'special stuff' on the presidents motorcade is classified, but I think it can withstand an armor peircing tank round......the thing is like a bank vault on wheels.....they wouldn't even comment on the type of tires (hey I wonder if their Toyo's? ;) ) but the stuff they were able to share was very intresting. B)

Very true sk......the article didn't knock the entire aftermarket industry, just recommends people to be cautious when doing certain mods. B)

Agreed vcv B) I only do minor mods like K & N filters, tint......I prefer to keep the car mostly stock myself. But that ALOT of cash! No wonder the automakers want to get in on it.

whats the difference between an IS20 and the 300 we have here int he states? ← IS200 is a 4 banger & very popular in Europe because of the very high fuel prices. ;) Ralf, VERY nice looking ride!! Welcome to the club! B)

you are only as young as you feel... <_< and something tells me you feel 60... :D ahh, i love it here, the atomosphere is great! LOL. ← Sorry junior ;) I actually do feel younger than my actual age (28) & I'm 'technically' still on my honeymoon :D ;) Nice try though :whistles: :P :chairshot: When you own pretty much ever George Carlin stand up album (not even sure you know who he is ) you had better have a good comeback. ← LOL.... to think this all started when somebody asked if Lexus used real wood trim :D ← I know......what are ya gonna do ya know? ;) :whistles:

you are only as young as you feel... <_< and something tells me you feel 60... :D ahh, i love it here, the atomosphere is great! LOL. ← Sorry junior ;) I actually do feel younger than my actual age (28) & I'm 'technically' still on my honeymoon :D ;) Nice try though :whistles: :P :chairshot: When you own pretty much ever George Carlin stand up album (not even sure you know who he is ) you had better have a good comeback.

I got this link form Edmunds.com.......you can draw your own conclusions http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Featu...rticleId=104392? mktcat=suvs&kw=HTML&mktid=NL990301&DARTmail

I agree as well! Turbo......dude, I gotta ask you, where did you get that Nissan Honda image thingy? That just made my whole day!! ROTGLMAO!! I want to get something like that but with Lexus Vs. BMW or Infiniti lol.......how did you do that? :D B) Or anybody else know where I can find something like that? Had to wipe tears away! :D ← Thanks! I have Nissan 300zxTT and one of the guys on our boards found it. :D I'm sure anyone who's good with photoshop could make one up that says LEXUS/ BMW. ← Thanks for the info! ;) That image is priceless! lmao!! :D B)

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Same here....much quieter than the Michelin MXV4's that were on my ES. ;)

As far as rain goes (especially heavy rain) I found the Toyo's just awesome, with no hydroplaining or slipping......both on city streets & highway speeds. B) My complaint is ice & that's it......after about 4 - 6 decent snowfalls so far this winter season, not one problem getting around with them. ;) I do however have (along with the Toyo's), the Falken Ziex ZE-512 & the new Goodyear Triple Treads (which actually have a special mixture in it's compound that grips bites into ice) are other tires I would consider. I'm just not sure about the speed ratings for the 02+ ES.....I can get them in an H speed rating, which is only 1 rating down from V. www.goodyearassurance.com

lol mburn. ;) No problems personally in snow (up to about 2.5 - 3").....ice however, I stay home. B)

BINGO! They are not like my old pair of Dunlaps. They are good but not as good as them! So I agree. ← You agree with what exactly mburn? The fact he should put a different set of all season tires on? or? :whistles: Which specific Dunlop's did you have? ← I agree that that the Toyo Proxes TPT's are poor in the snow. I had the Dunlap 4000's which weared very quick (22K miles) but were great in the snow. ← Dunlop 4000 are not highly rated for snow traction as the link below will state. Your right about them wearing quickly too.....only a 240 or 340 treadwear rating depending on the size. ;) The TPT's are rated good in the snow BTW.......not so good on 'icy' surfaces (big difference). B) The Canidian 'tirerack' site if you will www.tiretrends.com do not even carry those Dunlop's anymore. http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?ti...romCompare1=yes

Weren't you considering selling the car a short while back?

I agree as well! Turbo......dude, I gotta ask you, where did you get that Nissan Honda image thingy? That just made my whole day!! ROTGLMAO!! I want to get something like that but with Lexus Vs. BMW or Infiniti lol.......how did you do that? :D B) Or anybody else know where I can find something like that? Had to wipe tears away! :D

sorry steve, you set yourself up for that one... :D and i am almost 21 years old, do i have to be 80 befor ei will not be called "youth" or, "kid"?:whistles: ← Nope, sounds like you will still act like that when you 80+ anyways ;) :P :whistles: now YOU walked right into that one yourself.......Jr :whistles: :chairshot: :P

BINGO! They are not like my old pair of Dunlaps. They are good but not as good as them! So I agree. ← You agree with what exactly mburn? The fact he should put a different set of all season tires on? or? :whistles: Which specific Dunlop's did you have?

See, some say they love them in the snow, some don't even see snow, while others say they are not that good in the snow.......a little bit of everything on the 1010 tires site. Snow & ice is not the Toyo's primary function to begin with & yes if it is that bad out side.......commom sense should prevail & you shouldn't be going out to begin with. I have yet to see someone that does use winter rubber trade them in for a set of all seasons. & I doubt I will anytime soon. B) IF this was strictly a winter tire & it was getting these kind of complaints, that would be an entirely different story! ;)

Agreed Steve.....I have never driven on worse tire than these & out of principal, I'll never get Bridgestome OR Firestone (from my wife experrence with the Firehawk GTA-01) again! B)

ROTGLMAO!!!! :chairshot: :whistles:

Please don't get me wrong sw when I suggested to 'alter' your driving habits.....I was by no means implying that your reckless or ignore the road conditions when reduced traction & slower speed are warranted. ;) You know your ES better than anyone. B) I would also agree that since there are quite a few folks have put the TPT's on their Lexus that if they were that bad (myself included) there would be people screaming mad (probably mainly at me since I am the one that has very high praise for them & have & continue to recommend them as a very good performance all season tire) :whistles: to tell everyone about their experences (that's why I posed the question & am asking other Lexus owners for their feedback about the TPT). If anybody has something to say good OR bad, please speak up. I understand what you mean that you don't think winter tires are necessary where you live (I'm the exact same way & I love in Toronto! ). That's why I purchase one of the best possible all season tires (as of a year ago at least in my tire size) available, because I have not the time, money, storage space nor the patience for 2 set's of wheels & tires & the aggravation that goes with it & by the sounds of it.......your pretty much the same as me am I right? ;) Are there better choices out there? perhaps.....depending on what someone looks for in a tire & based on many factors ('all season' traction, treadwear, price, ride, speed ratings, performance, comfort & the like). The Toyo's would still be on my short list however all things considered, but that may change when my tires need replacing in about 40,000 miles & 2+ years. :)

I assume that as tim suggested that your tire pressures are all good......the other thing I should mention......as you stated, that it's been "really cold".....that might be part of the problem right there. "All season" tires as a general rule start to lose traction & optimal performance capabilities (because of the type of rubber compounds used in the making of the tire.......I'm not a scientist or engineer by any stretch, so I won't bore anybody with the specific details compared to winter tires) when the temperature reaches minus -7 degrees celsius ( or 19.4 degrees Fahrenheit) & below. This effects many factors of which a tire can perform, ride, grip, corner & the like, the way we come to 'expect' if you will. I too notice a difference in very 'extreme' cold say below minus -15 celsius (or 5 degrees fahrenheit in BOTH bad weather & dry roads) & below which we have had here the last couple days here in Toronto. If I can make a suggestion......and that would be to 'slightly' alter your driving habits to compensate for this during the cold snap & let us know if you notice any significant change in how the tire reacts & performs then. I understand your immeadiate frustration with your experence (again I had a similar reaction during my recent incident initially), but try that over the next couple of days & tell us what you think & how you feel at that point. B) The 'perfect' tire has yet to be invented in any 'category' whether it be all season, summer or winter......you are going to have to sacriface one or two things in one area, to gain one or more things in another.......in this case, 'overall' winter performance is hampered when it's very cold out on slippery roads. Most (if not all) all seasons give this up when performing winter duty......some are better than others & some are just plain unsafe. I have yet to place the Toyo TPT in that (unsafe) category. My wife however has had not 1 complaint with her Falken Ziex ZE-512 & she just came home from a 50 mile drive (east of Toronto) with 6-8 inch snowfall today & her traction control did not engage once. Go figure. Those who have the Toyo Proxes TPT's on their Lexus (of ANY model), if you wouldn't mind....I know Doug (lexusk8) has them on his 01 ES as well.....if it's relevant (IE: winter driving conditions, not Florida now) please feel free to put your 2 cents in with your experences with this tire. :)

Ouch sw :( that's intresting......Up here in Toronto, we have had several bad snow storms so far this winter (had 2 last winter when I first got the Toyo's). Compared to the Michelin's that came with the car, the Toyo's were like night & day for both snow & rain traction. Having said that, I did have one experence myself that was very suprising. It was the sliding sideways you mentioned........BUT, it was freezing rain earlier in the day & turned to snow after that. I had to go to the bank & was pulling out of the parking lot (going no more than 1-2 MPH). My breaks locked up, traction control, VSC all were kicking in & I was sliding sideways towards the street I was trying to turn out onto. Lucky for me it was not a heavily traveled street & after hours so only one car was coming & that driver saw I was having some trouble & stopped long before we would 'meet'. It was because of the ice patches that were under the snow, combined with about 2 inches of slushy snow combined to cause my incident. This was on a very slight incline. Other than that, I have had no major issues with my TPT's but I will agree that they are not very good on an icy surface mixed with snow. Regular snow has been fine & I have felt very confident in their traction & braking performance. I did have one scare with the ice, but that's it. :( I will say the Bridgestones do not even come close to the Toyo's in any bad traction conditions (including heavy snow, rain & of course ice). No question they were the worst tires I have ever experenced. Just put the Toyo & Potenza RE 92 side by side & look at the difference in the tread patterns to prove my point.....I won't even go to the treadwear differences. Sorry you had a bad experence, I hope you re-gain more confidence next time the snow falls. ;) I would give them one more reasonable chance. If you still fine them bad to drive on, get yourself a set of snows.