It's funny that we are talking about this. I have a cousin who has a kid that is 15 1/2 and just got his learners permit. So, my cousin, knowing that I know cars as well as I do was asking me what kind of car he should get his son. So I started suggesting a 95-98 Corolla, or same years Ford Escort, ( say what you want, those cars run forever!), Nissan Sentra, like the one I use as the road warrior. These year cars, it would take over $10K to make them even remotely quick, but all are relatively safe and good on gas and aren't stupid looking or embarrasing to drive. I said even the late 90's Altima's were a good car, and so were the Honda Civic's. I even recommended some of the Hyundia line up. But of course the kid shot those down right away. He said he didn't want to be embarrased to drive it. Why does it have to be a used piece of crap? He wanted a new one because it has a warrentee, He liked the new Mustang, or he wanted a Dodge SRT. Which he almost had his dad agree to because he thought it was a Neon!! Then he would go on about the WRX, or an EVO 8. He says to his dad right in front of me( Those are only 4 cylinder cars!) Then I piped up, yeah, with a turbo charger and making 300 hp! So, I told him walking when he's 17 would be embarrasing!! Then the conversation turned to classic muscle cars. He started listing Camaro's, and Mustangs and so on. So, I took my cousin aside and said he needs to come up with a monetary figure to stay under. I think $3,500-$5,000 is plenty to spend. He agreed. So I took him to a friends car lot and let him look for himself. He wasn't thrilled at first. Nothing would do. Everything was stupid. Ok. So let's drive this 96 Acura Legend. He loved it. Wanted it. MAn that car was nice! Then I said let's drive this 96 Mitsubishi Galant. Oh, man this car is it! Even better than the Legend!!! So I said let's drive this VW Jetta. Wow, the nicest by far!!! His dad was amazed. I learned something as well. KIDS DON"T KNOW WHAT THE HECK THEY WANT!!!! I mean, how can they? His grades have suffered a bit, so his dad is holding off getting him a car right now, But I have a line on a 98 Saturn that I think will work just fine for him. Blows cold A/C, power everything, and good on gas. It's dark blue, and looks nice. It's a great car to learn how to drive with and gain driving hours and experience. I think most parents and kids also think that once they have a liscence, they know how to drive. I think it really takes about 2 years of driving to learn how to drive. ANd most parents need to look at it like that. Why would you buy a $25K car to learn how to drive with? Learning how to judge distance is a practiced skill. Not inherent. Learning the limits of a car is very important, and even more so, learning the limits of themselves. And besides that, I know I always had alot more respect and appreciated much more, the things I bought for myself, not what someone else bought me.