LexPaul

Yes indeed, agreed, the more I see these two, the more I'm seriously considering trading in my 09......Still looking hard at GS as well.....Lexus has really laid down a serious challenge to the competition especially the Germans.....These two cars really compliment each other, that ending is too cool...

I was wondering if they'd hold the line on pricing on the new ES. There is a lot of competition out there so it might be in L's interest to keep pricing about the same. I think they did with the new GS, but that model really needed sales help where the ES has always sold well. Good point

This car is beautiful, the more I see it, the more I Iove what Lexus has done. I just hope the option packages don't go too far north.....I saw somewhere that the base price is going to be around 37K.....

Could be a dead battery, the exact same thing happened to me about two weeks ago, and the problem was the battery.

Great pics!!

.....and the 2013 Toyota Avalon, wow!!, very nice. A Lexus sales rep. told me the Avalon is the ES's biggest competitor....but I think the ES is in a different class, in design and engineering, it's ahead for sure., but the look of the Avalon, man that car is sharp...

It sounds like you're ready to break open the checkbook come August?? lol...I'm tempted for sure, but first things first...price and my trade in. It will be interesting to see what price point Lexus will set this ES at, and the 'layered' options can add up fast, I prefer real leather, not sure about the NuLuxe 'leather', I have to see it/feel it. I just hope the options don't place it in the mid to upper 40's, we'll see...but I'm in the hunting mode now for sure....lol....

Damn, I'm eating 'crow',...indeed I complained about the looks of the ES in China, but I'm 180 now, this car is absolutely awesome, the interior, the dash, even the hood line...very nice, elegant and classy, have to see it in person, but I'm aboard now. I'm really feeling the LS look, and I understand they have 'tweaked' the suspension. Can't wait to do a test drive Right on, I agree, the LS must be a killer, because this car has scaled closer to LS 460....Lexus will have a time keeping this one on the lots, I'm thinking seriously about trading up my 09 now....man I was headed toward the GS, not anymore... I'm really feeling the dark interior, obsidian/black, now this car in that color will be a killer, not feeling the bamboo trim either...Lexus has done it again....

I sure hope you're right...I really do...

Well I will qualify my last statement, I can see myself upgrading to a GS, if I can get a good trade in on my 09, then it's a real possibility in 2013, I'll sit out this year.

What happened with the dashboard??, there does not seem to be a coherent flow to it? Guys I may have to sit this design out. Have you seen the interior of the 2013 Cadillac XTS?, this car is drop dead gorgeous inside. Where is the design team that designed the 07 ES?. Did they get fired? What's up? I showed these pics to my dealer in ATL and he admitted that there is some resemblance to the Sonata. Not good and not Lexus like. In fact I find the redesigned Camry a better looking car. Why did Lexus make the ES bigger?, wrong move, might as well get a fully loaded Avalon Limited. The Avalon actually looks better inside and IMO has an edge on the exterior. I'm looking at the BMW, Infiniti, Mercedes and even the XTS and Chrysler 300, I don't find a compelling reason not to look outside of Lexus right now, unless I move up to the GS (I like the 2013 GS, the exterior and interior is magnificent) or drop down to a smaller IS. Right now I'm just frustrated with this design. I'm not sure I can stay in the Lexus column. I'm enjoying my 09, but there is no upgrade path for me with this design, which I was looking forward to. I don't think seeing the car in person will change MO. This may be my last Lexus, I'm not sure.

The last I saw was in August.

You are definitely on point, the exterior looks too plain, no chrome, hard to believe they missed that and the interior is jusy barely ok, I'm not sure what the designers were thinkingt, but I don't see how Lexus can regain their selling title with this design. Have you seen the 2013 XTS caddy?, I don't know if I'm ready to pull the plug just yet, but I won't be rushing out to buy one. I'll probably look more at the Mercedes or BMW, wow, but those maintenance cost may force me to look elsewhere...all in all I hope I will soften up when I see it in person....

The front seems to be overdone. My first impressions is I'm not really feeling the changes and I still prefer my 09, I'm really disappointed, (maybe it's the color scheme??), but all that could change when I see it in person. I hope this is the 'China" edition and the US edition will be significantly different...

Yeah I confirm. My dealer was already using a blend (regular + syn). I was told over a year ago that they would eventually be going with only synthetics in the future so I guess the future is here.

I just hope the 2013 ES won't follow too closely to the new 2012 Toyota Camry redesign. I agree that the new Camry is too conservative. The competition has raised the bar. Hyundai Sonata gets a nod here. I hope Lexus will move the ES above its current competition and away from any resemblance to the Camry. I don't think the 2013 ES will disappoint on the interior side, it should be all class and luxed out. I'm just concerned that Lexus will go the way of the Camry which would be a big mistake IMHO.

Of course no Lexus dealer will touch this, they would probably just recommed that you trade up your car to one with Nav. If you are willing to spend some serious cash then I'm sure you could find a speciality shop aka extreme makeover body shop that would do it...time and money are the 'key's....

Chrome handles are a definite plus IMO, along with the chrome around the doors. Cheers!!

So there is no other way of updating the Nav-GPS, other than going to the dealer??.....Ebay or Amazon?? I have a 09 and I think my version is 9.0 Need to verify....

Excellent points about the dealership experience. Finding a good mechanic is not easy, I can understand where you're coming from....

I guess I'm on the other side of the spectrum as I always take my car to the dealer for regular scheduled maintenance...I know I pay more, but it's just the comfort and knowing these are the guys that know my car (yes they can screw up too, I realize that). Also they generally can answer my questions that I have AND I like the pampering (heck I paid for it!!). I will take my truck and 96 Camry to Jiffy Lube, but my Lex is definitely off limits...

Hello and welcome, Lexus is trying to pull a fast one on you. There should never be any noise whatsoever when the brakes are applied to any vehicle. If noise is heard, then there is problem with the calibers, pads, rotors and/or even the supension system. I would take the car to a non-Lexus shop and have them analayze the problem and then present their finding to the Lexus dealer(or tell them in a discreet way what the problem is). Hope this helps.

I'm not sure if this can be done, if you want OEM, I wouldn't trust anyone but the dealer to do the work, and they probably wouldn't do it, and if they did the cost would just not be worth it.

It depends on the options, if you want Navigation, then retail would be about $30.4K, without Navigation about a grand less, or $29.2K. I consider this a decent price for an ES with such low miles.

It depends on the options, if you want Navigation, then retail would be about $30.4K, without Navigation about a grand less, or $29.2K. I consider this a decent price for an ES with such low miles.