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You're so full of it. Now you're saying it has nothing to do with the perception of the model being a 250, its that you don't like the number 2?!? I'll refer everyone to this guy's original post: You said you were going to man up, thats not manning up...

Looks plausible... As for the V6, wouldn't surprise me. I'd buy a V6 LS as long as it wasn't a dog... Agreed Steve....should be interesting.

Any LS430 seat should bolt up just fine...

They're a great outfit and Darrell is a great guy.

I'd moderate him for that but it makes him look like such a punk I'm going to leave it ;)

Absolutely, very well respected.

My suggestion? Just remove the IS250 emblem, thats classier than pretending the car is something its not.

Why do you hate the 2? Because it feels and sounds cheap. Sounds cheap to who? Let me ask you a question. Do you like your IS250? If you do, then drive it and consider leaving the 2 on as an exercise in caring more that you drive a car you enjoy driving than what people may or may not think about you because of which numbers are displayed on the trunklid of the car. The IS300's model font was different, it won't match the emblems on your car and removing the 2 and replacing it with something else is going to have the reverse effect, people who know cars are going to see that your badge doesn't match your car and they're going to laugh at you. I laugh at people when I see that.

They will be a sponsor of ours, its still being worked out. For now that code works. Its just your perception ;)

Really?!? Wow thats a great deal, last time I looked it was $260. Put in "clublexus" as the code and it'll save another 10% too. Are we spatting? No why would we be spatting?

I bet its $40k or so.

I never said you were ignorant, I was simply saying you can't compare what something costs in Utah to what it costs here. You obviously thought that you could because you said they "saw me coming" and that oil changes at your dealer were $50. You didn't miss anything, the ES calls for a transmission fluid replacement every 30k and a brake fluid flush every 15k which apparently the RX does not, but thats the only difference. Thats the services that were done, and thats what dealers here charge for them. I never said dealer service was cheap, its definately not. You won't get any dealer maintenance package for less than $100 though as you had originally said. Thats a really good question...

You're going to change the model badge for your car because you're emberassed because it has a "2" and its going to make people think you have a cheap car? Self esteem much? Seriously, if you care that much about what other people think about you and what you drive (news flash...people don't care and if they do...why should you care what they think?) you should work on that. The 250 is because it has a 2.5l engine. What about the 525i? or the 325i? or the C240 owners, should they be emberassed too? Changing the model name on a car to a higher model and pretending thats what you have is pathetic. Why don't you stick an AMG badge on it too while you're at it.

You should do more research into JD Power before spreading incorrect information. I'll say it again, JD Power does not test anything, they survey owners at random. Initial quality is one, one, of the many surveys they do. They also survey 5 year dependability, overall dependability, dealer satisfaction, and several other things pertaining to cars as well. Initial quality is a question of how satisfied are you with your car when new, its not a reliability measure. Don't like the cupholders? Thats an issue that counts against a car. Randy posted the results of the overall dependability survey , this is a measure of a brand's long term dependability OVERALL as reported by surveying a random sample of vehicle owners. Not a measure within 3 months, not a test. Just because you don't understand something doesn't mean its pointless or useless. JD Power is a very good, nonbiased source of statistical information about consumer's experiences with products they own or use.

But remember...we're all stupid. Everybody else will get it

Sewell is no cheaper than $265 though...

I dont think he was the one being rude at all... If you don't want discussion of whatever you're "sharing", I wouldn't share on a discussion board.

Its Infiniti... And show me some data that shows Infinitis are not reliable cars... Lexus is a great car...but its not the only good car on the road.

Billy, Nobody's seen me coming. Prices vary depending on area, you live in Utah and I live in metro Washington, DC. Big difference in terms of cost of living, etc. There are 5 local dealers here, prices the same at all of them, and nothing has ever been done to my car that was not called for in the factory maintenance schedule. There is certainly more called for in the first 50k miles than oil changes, read your maintenance schedule. Even at Toyota it would be more expensive than what you are saying here, and the local dealers don't send out coupons. Even my independent Lexus mechanic I use now charges $90 for an oil change and tire rotation (5k service). I have a reciept right here for a lube center who changed the oil one time for $60. I have zero interest in doing maintenance myself, I work way too much to spend what little free time I have doing that. I've always been very happy to pay the dealer to maintain the car. Teletubbie, Ask the dealer for the cost of a 5k, a 15k, and a 30k service. Call the service department yourself and just ask so they won't know you're thinking about buying the prepaid service package. There are basically three packages, 5k, 15k and 30k, each is a more involved and more expensive package depending on the model. Here's how it works 5k-5k package 10k-5k package 15k-15kpackage 20k-5k package 25k-5k package 30k-30k package 35k-5k package 40k-5k package 45k-15k package 50k-5k package So based on their prices, you can extrapolate what the cost of maintenance will be for 50k miles. Its going to be more than $1200 whatever the area I bet. I always enjoyed using the dealer. I had a good relationship with my service rep and whenever I had any hint of a warranty issue it was always dealt with immediately with no hassle because I was such a good customer. On top of that, I enjoyed the experience. Its very quick and painless. Always get a loaner. I never had to spend more than 10 minutes in a dealership at a time. Now that my car is older and out of warranty, and my service guy is gone I'm content to trade a little more time for savings with the independent guy I found, but when I replace mine with a new...or newer under warranty car I'll probably start using the dealer again.

My Toyota Prius is fine too...

Don't be nasty, no reason for that. If you put something on the forum to share, you've got to be willing to accept negative reactions. I didn't get it either until I read the thread, even after looking at the full picture and seeing it was a blood donor plate. So to people that are into blood donating they might get it, but a lot of people aren't going to get it. I've never looked at a unit of blood, nor will I look up a picture to decipher your plate. I thought maybe you meant zero peice of !Removed!, I totally didn't get blood type until someone said blood type. Personalized plates are great, but you can't get angry with people if they don't decipher what it means as quickly as you can. My guess is maybe 15% of people who see this will get it.

They're not going to cover it...

Makes sense, good luck with the move!

What you're experiencing is that as hard hit as the new car market is, the used high end market is worse. People are not buying luxury cars, and they aren't buying used luxury cars either. If the dealer has a car on their lot for $40k that is similar to yours, I think $35.5k is a very reasonable price. What do you think they will sell that $40k RX for? $36k? Maybe. If they let you walk away they couldn't do the deal.

Ever taken your car to the Lexus dealer? Lexus dealer service is way more than that. A 5k mile service at my dealer is almost $200 (oil change and tire rotation) and you would easily get up past $1200 in 50k miles. I just checked my service records, here's what I spent, keep in mind my car is an '03, and prices have gone up since then: 5K Free 10K $130 15k $451.99 20K $130 25K $146.17 30K $407.00 35K $239.74 40K $146.14 45K $391.51 50K $198.90 Total: $2,241.45 If the deal they are offering you includes brakes, its even more I probably had $500 worth of brakes in that time, that is just scheduled routine maintenance. The questions I would have for the dealer are: -Does this include all maintenance reccomended by Lexus in the service manual at 5k intervals? -Does it include brakes? -Can I finance it with the car? -Can I apply for a pro-rated refund if I don't use all the service? The question you need to ask yourself is: -Am I going to be using the dealer for service or am I willing to spend more time and effort with an independent mechanic to save some money? If you have to come out of pocket $1200 I might think about it more, but if it covers all the Lexus required maintenance for 50k miles, you can wrap it into the financing or lease, and you would be apt to use the dealer anyways I would buy it.