Es250h....?

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Lexus salesman just informed me that the Camry Hybrid will not be used as a Lexus ES hybrid base because Lexus drivers are more POWER oriented, example being the RX400h.

With 700 volts available I would think that that a blower type supercharger would be quite viable to raise the Atkinson I4's HP/Torque into a more acceptable "Lexus" range. The higher the drive frequency used means the SC's AC drive motor size at a given HP can be much smaller than with a lower frequency. And the SC could just "idle" along, very little power consumption, supplying only atmospheric pressure at the inlet unless/until WOT is used.

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I'd be utterly shocked.

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I'd be utterly shocked.

But pleased..........??

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Eh, I wouldn't be interested in one if it was slow. Its a luxury car, if I wanted economy I'd buy a Camry hybrid.I would buy an ES400h in a heartbeat.

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Eh, I wouldn't be interested in one if it was slow. Its a luxury car, if I wanted economy I'd buy a Camry hybrid.I would buy an ES400h in a heartbeat.

Unless my math is whacko the Camry hybrid is already "faster" that your ES300, maybe even faster than the ES350. The Camry hydrid ICE produces 147HP and the electrics kick in another ~150HP. Overall torque

is in the range of 350 ft/lbs.

Adding an SC would undoubtedly kick in another 15% from the ICE while likely improving the highway cruise FE substantially.

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Its not faster than my ES300, even if it were it would still be slow, my ES300 does not have enough power to motivate this heavy a car. The Camry Hyrbid has TOTAL 187hp and 199lb ft of torque and does 0-60 in 7.7 seconds. My ES300 by comparison has 210hp and 220 lb ft of torque and does 0-60 in 8.1 seconds. The ES350 has 272hp and 254 lb ft of torque with a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds

Cites:

Camry Hybrid Specs:

http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/2007/camry/specs.pdf

Camry Hyrbid Performance:

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests...mry-hybrid.html

2003 ES300 Specs:

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/spec_eng...20300&trimid=-1

2003 ES300 Performance:

http://autobuyguide.com/2003/12-aut/lexus/...iews/index.html

2007 ES350 Specs:

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/spec_eng...20350&trimid=-1

2007 ES350 Performance:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...87/pageId=69243

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Its not faster than my ES300, even if it were it would still be slow, my ES300 does not have enough power to motivate this heavy a car. The Camry Hyrbid has TOTAL 187hp and 199lb ft of torque and does 0-60 in 7.7 seconds. My ES300 by comparison has 210hp and 220 lb ft of torque and does 0-60 in 8.1 seconds. The ES350 has 272hp and 254 lb ft of torque with a 0-60 time of 7.1 seconds

Cites:

Camry Hybrid Specs:

http://www.toyota.com/images/vehicles/2007/camry/specs.pdf

Camry Hyrbid Performance:

http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests...mry-hybrid.html

2003 ES300 Specs:

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/spec_eng...20300&trimid=-1

2003 ES300 Performance:

http://autobuyguide.com/2003/12-aut/lexus/...iews/index.html

2007 ES350 Specs:

http://autos.msn.com/research/vip/spec_eng...20350&trimid=-1

2007 ES350 Performance:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drive...87/pageId=69243

Okay, glad to see my math wasn't whacko, just missed the fact that the traction battery can only put out 40HP peak. Anyone know why they would use an AC synchronous motor of 150HP rating if the battery is only good to 40HP..??