NY_RX400h_Savanah

Man just listen to yourself and knock yourself on the forehead. Talking to you,trying to explain something and getting any valuable information is like talking to our idiotic president Bush-and will get you nowhere. You don't even know what the taste is-which by the way you wanted to discuss to begin with your first post-not me-"Both vehicles are...excuse my bluntness...hideous...". And???-fine-it's your taste moron-I didn't argue whether you're right or wrong- I said that I like it's shape and don't like new Highlander or LX design. Nothing to discuss or argue about-won't change our tastes no matter what and it's pointless-but you have to have IQ above 90 to understand it. "Hammered"-didn't know that posting anything different than your opinions is hammering. Go to some specialist that will help you deal with your "Lexus" or "Taste" complex. I didn't start with my post to discuss looks of the cars which-again are different for every individual-but availability of the third row. Why do you post in the thread that is very clear what's about and not put anything associated with it-not a single post giving any valuable information. Obviously you have some complexes and take almost every discussion off the main topic to fit your own low level road. Did you even read my first post?? Did you see the question?? And BTW This forum is "Lexusownerclub" for Lexus owners -that includes enthusiasts but doesn't exclude all the others that are "just" the owners and have more or less critical things to say about the car they own.

So you say we can discuss opinions but not taste? So I can't discuss the fact that I don't like the styling of the R class but you can hammer the RXh on...basically everything and thats okay? I get it...we can discuss whatever opinions we want...so long as they're yours. You're a trip lol. I think its an ugly vehicle, sorry. I wouldn't reccomend it to any of my friends (line from your first tirade). Dude and it's fine that you don't like the look of the R series-I don't care-it's your taste-you're just proving my point. You can discuss whatever you want-I don't care-I just said I'm not discussing anybody's taste-BTW i didn't hammer RX400h's look-unless you didn't bother to check that. I like the way RX looks and if it has offered 3rd row or there were plans to offer it in the future-answer would be very simple. But Jeezzz-some of you guys can't get over the fact that there are other cars out there-being so narrow minded is really bad. No input whatsoever about 3rd row sit but hammering all other brands-very smart and intelligent. I'm not a MB nor BMW nor Lexus lover-Just because I spent 50k+ on Lexus doesn't mean I have to be loyal to that on brand for the rest of my life and shouldn't say anything that there's bad to say about it. Also is it so hard to understand and distinguish taste from opinion?I like blue-maybe you like red, I like Armani shirts-you might like Cavin Klein-do you really think it's up for discussion???-everything has a different look for every individual and intelligent people respect that. R350 seems to be decent size (and good looking for me)luxury car with third row sit and proper mounting hinges for child seats-that's all-I'm not buying one yet-since still looking for the best option. If you know any other intelligent option please share it and stop telling me how RX400h is the best car on the planet- I own one and know it's good and bad sides (yes there are some). But guess what-I need a third row seat option and besides 2-3 people here no one has brought anything to consideration. MPG won't make up for the space I'll need-can I put it any simpler? PS for Gryphon. Dady's car ;)-please come up with something better. My family lives 4k miles away for the past 12 years so I don't have that luxury.

True with the space ;) -that's why I have them in mind to use for 2 kids when needed. Fuel efficiency isn't the biggest factor in my case-of course not planning on buying any American gas guzzlers. Checked with BMW, Highlander and Acura MDX and they don't offer locks for child seats. Honda pilot offers only one in the third row. BTW in our old 3 series BMW 80mph was the optimum speed for fuel efficiency-30-31mpg because of the power curve-as soon as you got down to 70 it would drop. Realized that one time driving to Florida.

Look man don't want to offend you, but opinions are opinions and are up for discussion. Taste is very individual thing for every human being-you might like yellow color I might like the red someone else might like blue-no intelligent person will discuss it-this is the way it is and was given for everyone of us. Some people are !Removed! some are straight same way-no discussion will change that. If you want to discuss opinions-fine-but I won't discuss taste with you. Besides yet you haven't brought anything intelligent about cars with third row sit into the discussion. Now. I looked around and it looks like X5 also offers 3rd row sit. Anyone knows if it allows child sit to be mounted in the back-form the pictures it doesn't look like you can? Looked into Lexus GX, and Volvo X90 and they both have third row but without hinges for the sits so basically they make third row with very little space for it and don't allow the child sit to be mounted properly-a little weird because no grown person will be able to sit on those anyway. Also anyone familiar with Acura-looks like they have third row but I don't know anything about neither the company nor the car.

Well taste should not be discussed as it's personal and individual thing-I find them both good looking and if Pacifica was made but any other than american company I'd buy it. As far as new design of LX or Toyota Highlander -i find those hideous-just my personal taste. Toyota's redesign went same wrong way as BMW's in 2003. And if indeed Highlander was nice looking car it would be the best option for us after RX400.

Why did you buy the RX400H? I see that already over a year ago you held a similar kind of discussion, with the same manners. You clearly don't like your RX , so why are you asking if Lexus will come with a 3rd row seat version? Buy a MB and be happy. Well if it's so hard to understand-When we bought the RX we had one kid-next year we plan third one and need more space. And Year ago it was a different discussion more about options of RX than it's space-options that are still light years behind other cars.

At least I know how to drive and I'm sorry but driving 55 on the thruways is not for me-not my fault that 90% of my driving is highways and that speed we like to travel at is 70-80 mph. Time is more valuable for me than 2 mpg on average. And why are you all crying about mpg-it's not the reason we have to get bigger car-looks like a lot of people are very narrow minded to just one aspect-MPG. Again and again I need at least 6 passenger car with two back sits for the kids-simple enough or not. And please with this old story-MB is the least reliable of the luxury cars-BMW also? Well owned both and never had a problem unlike this time-but I guess changing tires after 10k and evaporator after 15k and oh yes battery is normal and doesn't affect reliability of the car. Again I didn't bring reliability to the table neither-only argument was to have third row option. So far no post suggested any smart option but almost all of them argued about MPG-like it's the only and the most important feature-will those extra 5mpg take another 2 passengers??

Yeah and if you buy gas from Mobile and mix it with their special mixture you'd even get 5+ on mpg-total b.s all the way. I would have to agree that the new EPA estimates are probably on the money and getting between 23-26mpg is probably what the most of the RX's are getting with again "normal" driving. That being said estimates are done same way for all the cars with real driving conditions. So 24/hwy and 26/city sound about right-since our trips are 90% hwy it's really not 800 or 900 difference.Now there is no way to get anywhere near 30mpg on this car driving 65-70 on highway and in the city with short 15-20 min drives. Now going back to subject "Third Row Seat" is not an option for the future and it's very unfortunate-we wouldn't have this discussion here if it was.

Buahahahahahahaha 29.3-good one-what's your average speed?-40mph. Also do you ever accelerate or always getting *BLEEP*ed off those behind you?? Well bottom line if you don't want to be an *BLEEP* by slowing everyone else behind you and drive a car like a driver-not a grandma getting weekly groceries-you'll never get this number. I drive RX like I drive my other cars and at 17k we average 22mpg. And btw 17 is the lower city consumption-let's say you get it on average. Do the math now and please stop with bull*BLEEP*ting with your fuel efficiency. If you indeed get 29.3-than the same way you're driving RX you'll get 24 on MB. Now even if it was close to $900 RX still doesn't offer the third row seating and that's the bottom line for us.

I've called Lexus to find out about new and redesigned model of RX400h and it's option to have 3rd row sit. Well it's like calling Verizon to find out when Fios is going to be available-waist of time. Since we're on the market for a mid-size luxury car with 3rd row siting available our first shot and hope was that next RX hybrid would offer it. If that was the case we could have wait another year or so and just trade our RX for it. Unfortunately this is not the case and the only Lexus that offers it is either GX or LX-both outdated shapes and in LX case-ugly looking. Looks like we're going back to Germans for MB R350-drove this car over the weekend and can't say a bad word about it (kids love that huge sunroof). And yes fuel economy is much better on RX but for the 10k miles we make a year it makes a $300-$400 difference in fuel. Of course we'd love to keep driving green but there's nothing available for what we need-not in luxury sector. Unless there's something on the horizon that we're not aware of??

I can fax you one if you want-had it done recently-same crap was happening-luckily dealer new right away what to do-I didn't even mentioned evaporator exchange-the key word was "white particles on dashboard" ;). Anyway that was free unlike 15k service and few other things like filter replacement, tire rotation, and alignment that came up to about $1100-auch -miss my BMW service ;)

OK my 2 cents into the subject- the Mileage, finish and for me look and design of Lexus is better-it's a different story when it comes to electronic and electric systems (and again I'm not talking about hybrid system). Bunch of annoying things like not so great GPS system (and from seeing it in Acura that has awesome one), lack of lots of features like Cruising range, average speed et. and stupid design allowing your car to drawn battery dead when interior lights are left on. But you're the one making decision and agreeing with the compromise-think and analyze what's more important-annoying Lock on GPS or mileage and so on. There is no car that is perfect but Lexus for sure gives you reliability-I don't know anything about that with Acura. Again it's good that you're open for suggestion and you have wide array of choices.

You're missing the point-no one tells you to put CNG tank into the sport/leisure car nor use Run Flat tires. Talk is about everyday driving cars -like Prius where no one would probably care what ratings tire has. And yes Europeans drive diesels but you know what-even with diesel more expensive they make up with efficiency-like 1.3 engine made by Citroen, Peugeot and Fiat getting you 70 miles on a galon, or even VW 1.6 TD that makes 50. Maybe that's why Prius in Europe has such a small market. But wait-diesel stinks is loud, used only in big trucks, etc. etc.-at least thats the stereotype-just like with CNG-OMG it will explode under my !Removed! ;) The bottom line is that even with current technologies the options are out there-CNG/Hybrid or Diesel/Hybrid-something along those lines but it all comes down to marketing and again stereotypes-Americans (most) don't give a damn about being biggest polluter in the world and are not ready to turn things around. Thank god we have great minds like Gore and great states like Cali or NY.ultimately it would be great to drive Hydrogens-I'll be the first to buy one if they become available-even with extra money to pay for car and refueling. PS RX is in the different category-it's a luxury car that allows us to have a luxury and save environment at the same time. And as far as "CNG cars not being ready for prime time"-they're around for over 20 years!!

I'd say 25-30% cars in europe run on CNG and I have never heard nor seen of any accident involving CNG tank explosion-in fact it's much easier to cause explosion with regular gas tank. As far as mileage- I had Alfa Romeo 154 running on CNG and it was getting about 20% worse mileage on CNG than on a gas-but keep in mind that CNG in Europe is 1/2 the price of Gas and is much more cleaner to burn. Yes tank is pain in the neck but that's why designers came up with Run flat tire to get that extra space for CNG tank. Almost every manufacturer in Europe offers factory installed CNG system for about $500 more and that is very smart direction. For first few years living here I was wondering why such a great idea isn't implemented here yet-but after living here for almost a decade and getting to know all the American stereotypes I'm not surprised anymore.

;) Not very aggressive but quick in certain situations-it's New York and it's impossible to be passive. But getting back to loudness of RX400-one other aspect of it is that when the car is driven with combustion engine off and while accelerating one gets on-our perception is totally different as if we had engine on before accelerating. Another words our ears will detect and let us know about much greater sound level difference. Constantly running engine will create "white noise" effect" and changing speed will only give us partial increase of what it would be without engine on before. Next time I get RX350 I'll use SL meter to check sound levels while driving, accelerating, idling and braking to compare those in RX400 and get final word on it-my take is that even RX400 seems to be more annoying with acceleration actual numbers might be the same or very close.