lexus400 Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 Hi, I have a '91 LS with 150k on it. I started noticing a "clunk" when hitting bumps and thought it was the tie rod ends (felt a little play). I replaced both the inner/outer on the side where I thought I felt the play but it's still there. It feels like the play is in the rack itself ? I know anything is possible but is that likely ? The rack doesn't leak at all. I called Jose at newlexusparts.com to get a price on a rack but he thought I should look elsewhere first. What's the best way to isolate play in the suspension ? Right now I have the car on ramps and I'm having my wife move the wheel back and forth a little. The car had upper and lower control arms replaced at 55k and the "u-joint" that's on the steering shaft just a few inches above the rack itself. Any thoughts appreciated... Bob P.S. - I have new struts and strut bushings on the way but don't think that will fix this problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90LS400Lexus Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 Common problem. My 1990 LS with 231K does this too. I have heard it is the front bushings and it is $$$ to replace. Not suprising though- everything about these cars are expensive to repair. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
silvermate Posted July 26, 2004 Share Posted July 26, 2004 yes that is a very common problem, 90LS is in most cases right......the culprit is worn out front bushings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexus400 Posted July 26, 2004 Author Share Posted July 26, 2004 Ok, I rather do that than the rack though... thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lexus400 Posted July 27, 2004 Author Share Posted July 27, 2004 I checked it over and it's definitely not control arms. It's either the rack or u joints on the steering shaft. I had a little bit of fluid come out of the dust boots when I took them off to do the tie rods - is that normal seepage from the rack ? Do they wear out/get sloppy with a 150k ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1UZ-FE Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 I checked it over and it's definitely not control arms. control arms make a different sound. my 94 with 167k needs upper control arms. they dont make sound when going over bumps or anything like that, only when turning at slow speeds (idle speed or below). also, they dont make a 'clunking' sound. the sound control arms make is more of a 'creaking' sound, similar to the sound heard when walking on floors in old houses with loose floor boards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90LS400Lexus Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 I checked it over and it's definitely not control arms. control arms make a different sound. my 94 with 167k needs upper control arms. they dont make sound when going over bumps or anything like that, only when turning at slow speeds (idle speed or below). also, they dont make a 'clunking' sound. the sound control arms make is more of a 'creaking' sound, similar to the sound heard when walking on floors in old houses with loose floor boards. Sometimes after I back up and press the brakes, when I go forward, the front suspension will make a "POP" noise when I first apply the brakes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzz30 Posted July 27, 2004 Share Posted July 27, 2004 as a person who has replace all of the front suspension on my ls i will put my bets on lower ball joints(if they have not already been changed), inner tie rods which have been changed strut arm bushings, and swaybar bushings, both of which are relatively cheap. upper arms really dont wear that much. and in hawaii there are some mean pot holed roads and after 140k miles of that the uppers werent that bad but i changed them anyway. and if you still have the original struts then that could also be, or be contributing to the noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90LS400Lexus Posted August 5, 2004 Share Posted August 5, 2004 TO ALL WITH FRONT END "CLUNKING" - Just wondering- does your car "clunk" more when the roads are wet? Mine really makes a loud racket when it is wet out. Does not make sense. You would think that the water would quieten it down. Its very annoying to say the least..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99lsguy Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 lexus400, I think it's the Strut Rod Bushings........see the diagram (bottom of sketch)...... they may be cracked and causing the strut bar to wobble around on bumps.... Otherwise, the Lower Ball Joints as jzz30 stated. comp.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
90LS400Lexus Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Thanks for that link and information- Do you know how difficult / expensive that is to replace? Is this the $800 repair I have heard about? Do a lot of parts have to come apart? Sorry for the ignorance. I just know nothing at all about repairing front suspension. :) Thanks again!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzz30 Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 the strut arm bushing can be changed in a matter of an hour. after jacking the car up and taking the tire off its a matter of 5 nuts. the ball joint is a matter 2 bolts and having to use a ball joint puller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
99lsguy Posted August 6, 2004 Share Posted August 6, 2004 Thanks for that link and information- Do you know how difficult / expensive that is to replace? Is this the $800 repair I have heard about? Do a lot of parts have to come apart? Sorry for the ignorance. I just know nothing at all about repairing front suspension. :) Thanks again!! Yes, lower ball joint and frot strut rod bushings is about $800 dealer service for front end (l & r)..... I think Jzz can help you out if you want to try it! Very doable over the weekend. Parts around $300 I imagine..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jzz30 Posted August 7, 2004 Share Posted August 7, 2004 any help wanted is always welcome! ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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