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I didn't call you a comical hypocrite, I said your statement was comically hypocritical, which it was. You can't possibly disagree that your asking powerwave (who works for a dealer) to see things from a customer's point of view and to have a fair and balanced opinion when you have been violently unwilling to even entertain the idea that the dealer is not at fault for your issue or even to remotely see anything from a dealer's perspective. That is the textbook definition of hypocrisy. Hypocrite- a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements. Theres absolutely no way you can deny that your request of someone else to be fair and balanced when you refuse to be is hypocritical. Yes, but unlocking the door with the key is a mechanical operation, there are no electronics involved therefore any problem with the electrical system of the car would be completely seperate from the key, which is what we've been saying all along. You said the POWER door locks wouldn't work. Using the key to unlock the door manually has nothing to do with the power door locks. You had nothing to begin with on this topic because you have absolutely no grounds for your complaint. Something happened to the electrical system of your car while under the dealer's care (supposedly), you brought it to the dealer's attention and they corrected it. What is your issue? Okay so you felt you were treated badly. If you carried on in there the way you've carried on in here I can understand why. He probably doesn't know anything about cars, so thats going to be a no-go. your my hero because now i really think that you are smart cause you seem to know and understand so much....say hi to your dad...and tell him i m proud of you too seriously i ve changed my mind about you two and from now on you are the only ones i ll take seriously I realize how stupid I am and to think i had a valid thought in me was absurd and....boys....i just want you to know how truly sorry i am to have disaggreed with either of you about anything!....again...sorry...and maybe we can be pals again like the old days........the end

i don t appreciate being called a comical hypocrate

First of all can the "I'm thinking you may not be too sharp" crap be it to me or anyone else. If you're going to post things to a public forum, be ready for people to disagree with you. If you can't handle that without personally insulting others we will ask you to leave the club. And show me where the key for a 1992 ES300 costs $400 from your dealer. It doesn't. Keys also start cars, how would the power door locks be affected in you starting the car? The 92 ES doesn't have a key that unlocks car doors remotely, thats a seperate fob. In any event, the car is fixed and it didn't cost you anything so whats the big deal? for the last time..........ask richmond lexus the cost of a key yes keys start cars............but they have to unlock the door FIRST!!!!! we are getting nowhere with this ....so i have nothing more on this topic thanks for your interest

yes and all from your personal perspective....try looking at it from the other side. Try having a balanced view. Tell us some stories about the completely irrelevent work you ve done , how you screwed the innocent customer by denying it and and how you keep the heat off you by putting it on others....

Keys are for doorlocks and lexus dealers come up with outrageous prices and i m thinking you may not be too sharp!

....a simple case of poor Q.C....if the car was lets say an 03 the same thing could happen ....hey, even a new car could blow a fuse, so after what age on a car does coincidence begin?................thanx for the comment (chillinbabychillinlol)

All i m saying is if you have a specialized key made , one that must be programmed, it might be a good idea to SEE IF IT WORKS!!!?? IN this case they would have noticed it DIDN T and found the cause(fuse) and remedied the problem.ok? I don t set the key prices. ANOTHER dealership where i bought the es is paying the tab....so unlike you they DIDN T see me coming. I don t hoot or holler....you probably do.... and...the more you type it seems the less i take you seriously. You just don t get it....and i m sure you will type some more!

SW03ES, the car IS two weeks old to me. The manager suggested it WAS a coincidence the doorlocks malfunctioned just there and it had nothing to do with the key job. I disagree! Something caused that fuse to BLOW! They are professionals and at $400+ for a key they should make sure all systems are a go after working on a computer?electrical ?...system. Is that not a reasonable expectation??? The representative of the dealer.the service manager, basically insinuated that we....the customers....were dishonest and bringing our malfunctioning vehicles in for free repairs! That really IRKS me! Ive been driving for over 40 years and have dealt with dealerships before and his kind of ignorance is rampant in the dealership world....take a reading pal! PS. I do apologize to the 1% of management who might just be regular guys doing an honest job and actually CARE about the customer!(I even know one but is in another city). And i don t fault the technician as there is obviously little quality control ...as in procedures......when a perfectly functional car comes in healthy and is sent off wounded!!!!!............I truly believe this so don t trust the dealers and I thank you for your comments!

Took my 2 week old 92 es300 to the dealer to get my new key and have it programmed. I was a little leery at best trusting them for even such a "simple" task but i figured ....cmon....how can they eff me on this? I was nice and said as little as possible and they took it into the shop and began what was a 45 minute job of programming the new key. It was finally ready to go and they gave me the new key. I thought to just make sure everything worked. BOOM! the power doorlocks were dead.I marched back to the manager and told him. Well wouldn t you know he figured that "maybe" it didn t work before i brought it in as people DO that. I m choked at the semi accusation and told him that everything in my pristine beauty works and its something to do with the new key. Besides why are they suddenly not working on both sides(the passenger too). We went in circles for a while and he asked if i had a lot of time....and they would look at it! He suggested it was mechanical and they would pull the door panel. This was really scaring me! I m leaving on a 1200 mile trip in the morning and don t want them effing anything else up....so i said i ll come back in a week. Back out to the car, alittle stressed, and do more checking. OK, no domelite,no antenna, no running lights! I m freaked and march back in with semi violent thoughts in my mind, but keep cool and let "henry" know whats up. AND, now i DO have time....get it fixed! There is a lady and she says before it gets crazy it could be a fuse! The mechanic takes the car and tracks me down 15 minutes later saying he is sorry and it WAS a simple fuse. It all works again.! But i ll tell you...that little manager is what *BLEEP*ed me off and very relieved i got the hell out of there and will never use a dealer if i can help it!!!! YOU JUST CAN T TRUST THEM !!!!!!! ..

Hey powerwave, thanks for the comments. My wife had a 96 saturn and its the best parking lot car in the world. Too bad they didn t use space-age plastic on the inside(belt guide) like the outside because the doors and panels are tuff enuf to withstand shopping carts and hockey sticks no prob!.I talked to my genius mechanical knowledge friend and he explained the whole NIEngine thing to me. I realize why it s really called a CAM BELT. Correct? Sold the saturn and bought the lex. Feels kinda like a honeymoon....but then again ...i have alot of time on my hands.

Apparantly, if the timing belt breaks in a "non interference engine" , the engine will only stop running.because the cam would stop turning. I am under the impression that the valves and rods would get bent if the belt broke (because of the piston head clearence) and the motor would need a rebuild... is this true? And if it is ...is my 92 es300 3lv6 a N>I>E? Any feedback on this subject would be of great value toALL!....If the dreaded "beltbreak" happened it would be nice not to freak thinking about a monster rebuild bill instead of just replacing the belt.......

Great looking car - congrats! Good advise on the keys. People don't always realize how many you're supposed to be getting - I got 4 with mine (2 remotes, 1 valet & 1 spare that's folded flat in a card holder). The dealership had to order the second remote. Floor mats we're also not in my vehicle - the dealer got me a brand new set of Lexus OE mats. Also good advise to check it during the day time for any damage, scratches, chips, scuffs, etc. Another thing, if possible, is to check it at night - make sure all of the lighting is working properly, the dash lights work properly, etc. Play with everything: power seats, windows (all of them), moonroof, radio, compartments, fold the seats down. Everything that you can think of (mechanical & electrical). After you sign the papers - it's usually too late to bring up any problems. Thanks for sharing your experience. Great advise! you can get a key for 30 buks at www.sparekeys.com.....i just got a 92 es300 at a dealer , I really try to be diligent but those guys are the biggest and best crooks in the world. If you re happy with your lexus....don t look back!!!...In the future check out all the info available to you on HOW TO BUY A USED CAR and if you can , get a friend to help negotiate the price if he is good at it. Double teaming the seller is a good tactic....I think.....good luck pal!

You know you own an ES300 when you pull into the repair shop and the mechanic insists to the boss that he WANTS to work on your 15 year old ES300 instead of the 2 or 3 cars before you .... (because he owns one too and loves it with a passion!)...

Welcome to the club ! I was going to suggest you find an independent Lexus mechanic as opposed to taking your "new" car to a Lexus dealership for servicing and repairs, but I see you already did that....good for you. But one question: at the age of 97, is he going to be around long to work on your car??? LOL :whistles: I take mine to my local Toyota dealership for servicing. Since the ES is based on the V6 Camry platform, the Toyota techs are very familiar with what's under the hood of my car. It's unusual to find a 1992 ES with so few miles (or KM's) on the ODO. My 1993 ES has 420,000 KM on it and is still running great. So, you can assure your wife that a 15 y.o. Lexus is NOT the same as a 15 y.o. Chevy... ...............hey i ll use this guy till he s 147 if his work is good ....tx for the tip ...............i love the sound of 420,000kms on my es but on my wife its a different story....lol 112000k=67,200mi

got a 92 es 300 with 66,000 miles for 8500cdn plus tax. put new michelin energy plus 4 tires ,had the t belt and pump done at a garage(800) and locking lugs .Its grey brown with dark grey leather and fully loaded. The dealer fixed a hood strut.valve cover gasket, cv boot and oil change. Next oil change and i will flush the tranny..... :cheers:

Bought a 92 es 300 from honda dealer a week ago. It has 66,000 miles and i paid 8500cdn. plus tax and fees.. I believe it was a 1 owner. no accidents. Its a grey brown with a dark grey leather int. The dealer did rear brakes, valve cover gasket, hood strut and oil change. Everything works. I installed mxvr4plus tires and it rides nice. My wife loves the feel too! altho she had a problem in me buying a 15 yr old car... After 1 week i have developed a tranny leak( i beleive) and am going to have it looked at by a lexus dealer. Otherwise i love the feel of this car. It does have its little things tho..it surges when parking or at very low speed. I just wanted to post and appreciate all the others and the info they provide....... 2 questions 1. is the squeaking from the back because of rear stabilizer bushings? 2.Is the tranny in this 92 an A51E?..any comment on tranny leaks welcome!!! ......next day..... not a tranny but the water pump and the antifreeze is red so i stayed away from the dealers and found a shop where the mechanic is a lexus owner (97) and loves my car right off the get go....water pump and timing belt with gasket and materiels $785 At least i can sleep easy now and am looking forward to the open road......also bought locking lugs at the mechanics suggestion $25.99