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You cant.... if you do you end up scratching the hood like what happened to me and i only payed attention to it cause my car is dark grey and 2 white long scratches are obvious! So i painted over it with the touch-up paint i have and told the driver that when he wants to clean the car he figures some other way <_< Really really stupid mistake by lexus!!!

My car is an 08 and no the "I agree" button is still there :S :S...... Another thing that i don't get is how the Specs in the U.S. are diffrent on minor issues than the specs in the Arab Gulf, such as the " I agree" is still living large over here and the side view mirros have not been changed as the cars in the U.S.... O well! No biggie ! BUT take it from the cars i mentioned do not block out the navigation, because my family has a VW, Mercedes and an Audi and i know people who have BMW's, cadillacs and Inifinitis and land rovers. It's foolish the lexus system!

Bro sorry but that was just careless! and if was your insurance company i would not pay you a cent! Really careless to drive with 5 bolts and not even make sure to tighten them! I hope your custom wheels now make you happy!

Yes, they do. Not all of them, but many. I believe Acura and Mercedes are the only two that don't limit the use of those functions. No they don't.... Add to that Audi, Volkswagen, BMW, Land Rover, Cadillac, Infiniti, Hyundai? I live in Dubai, United Arab Emirates and lexus is the only one compared to the ones who i mentioned who limits your use of the system.... Seriously i don't get this? the germans have a much more compliicated system in terms of navigation and how easy it is to type your destination, but you dont see them getting sued! Really i find it stupid that i have to press the damn " I agree" everytime i get in the car?

For me really the choice was easy, i did not find the GS to be appealing at all, the interior is not as luxurious as the ES, not as practical as the ES and the rear as well as front spaces is too tight for me. The driving position as well was not very comfortable as i test drove both cars and found the ES to be my choice, i am 6'1 feet, so for me in the GS there would be virtually no space for the rear passenger but with the ES, there is plenty to go around. I also found the ES to have a more luxurious stance than the GS which had a more sport oriented stance, lets not forget the panoramic roof on the ES which gives it a very sexy look. For those who mention handling on a rear wheel drive is better than FWD, i dont know about you guys, but i dont drive like a lunatic on turns or curves, i drive a car with respect, so wether it was FWD or RWD does not matter as i am not going to be driving it through cones or going from 0-100 only to brake back to 0 again.

I have not been on this forum long enough to realise that you are like a broken record. I thank god that you are not part of the design team of the lexus, the way you talk about your car is just........ ohhhh ! We get it, you personally think your ES has a more luxorious interior than the new one, hell maybe even better than a bentely, but enough already! Lexus compares the new ES350 to the old LS400 flagship and sights it as more LUXOURIOUS , powerfull and quiteter, they did not base the new ES350 on the old ES330 or ES300 !. Having allot of wood thrown in the car is old school, most german cars now a days no longer do that, design method changes, its not 1996 where one would say a car is luxorious cause it had wood all around the place. I mean seriously look at the 2007 Avalon it has more wood than a forest, but can you say it is more luxorious than the ES350.

On what grounds did you guys base that the birds eye view was a better feature than the map? BMW use that but Mercedes and Audi dont, so why would you guys assume it to be a superior form of navigation and think that it will be intergrated into the lexus? The bird view is pretty to look it but from my own experience from my freinds 750LI its definetly not as practical as the map ones.

Some Lexus dealers will give you a loaner car( usually a Lexus model), when your car is in for service. It's a free service! :) Yea but i would think that would be for only new lexus car not some old ES300 :S

Great to see that the ES has the same drive feel to the LS, this fact only adds more value to the ES350. When you guys say "was given an ES350 as a loaner", you mean as in you paid to rent the car and not they gave you the car for free of charge? lol at the old ES having a better interior let alone better driving than the new one, but hey its oppinions.

I said IF GIVEN the choice, which clearly means you get to pick between 2 cars based on nothing to do with reliability or build quality or whatever criteria you have, id go for mercedes. If i have a critieria to follow and reliability is one of them and MONEY is an issue, then sure i will go for the LS460. Otherwise i would not even have the LS on the list, would have an A8, 7-Series and S- class before mildly considering it. Now you get it?

Look i got a lexus ES350 08 myself, belive me i aint dissing lexus but a Mercedes is a Mercedes, i dont give 2 cents what you people think, a Mercedes has a confident drive to it that most cars cant reach.

I dont think you can turn the traction off.... You are better off checking with your dealership how it will be possible to drive over snow.

Dont generalise BMW and MB are *BLEEP*, you cant possibly expect a CLS to be as comfortable as an S class. 2 diffrent cars, one is a sport and the other is the luxury. Also the BMW dealership you have is *BLEEP* and their cars have some serious problems, my father drives a 2007 750LI and we have no issues with it what so ever, crossed the 30,000KM mark like a charm, the BMW also has night vision which is a great feature. I am a Lexus fan myself, but dont say disregard BMW and MB like that, personally if given the choice between an LS or S class, i would not hesitate for a moment to go for an S class.

So having the engine changed is not a dramatic change? Nice.... I have read the specific changes on the 2009 GS but i cannot seem to be able to find that website again, read that and then tell me the changes that will be done are not dramatic.

Question does the screen black out as soon as the car is in D or when you go over a certain speed? Furthemore when exactly does the navigation entering block out, over which speed. any reply would help