Nav Override

[Stanturk]

Does anyone have the NEW codes for the ver. 06.1 DVD to override the nav system so that a passenger can input a destination while traveling.

The old codes (Menu, up, down, up, down) do not work with DVD ver. 06.1.

[lex250awd]

This is one of the most asked questions for the new Denso 6.1 software. Lexus ripped that ability from us in the new verson and there are a couple great hackers that are working on this; however, from every thing I have found that last two months is that there is no soft key crack.

To date the only way some people have accomplished this with version 6.1 is to make a new DVD Disk by using all the files from the 6.1 disk and to replace one startup file from version 5. I have yet to get my hands on a version 5 disk as I don't want to pay $300 for an old version to make a new DVD.

I have stopped at an electronics car shop like Car Toys and they can trick the NAV with a hard wire solution so the Nav thinks you are no moving; however, I don't like that idea for the GPS issues and milage tracking for maintenance issues.

As most of the new Denso 6.1 customers of Lexus, we are not very happy that Lexus feels that we are too stupid to be safe and have an override so they just take it away from us. If I find a fix it will be posted on the pinned file on page one of the IS250 350 300 users group. In the mean time, when you want to find the nearest rest stop, pull off the free way and use the touch screen and they start driving again. :chairshot:

Below are the new voice commands if you need them:

NAVIGATION

Change Screen map, help, cancel

Change Map Scale zoom in, zoom out

Change Right Map Scale right map zoom in, right map zoom out

Change Map Direction north up

heading up

map direction

Change Right Map Direction right map north up

right map heading up

right map direction

Change Guidance Mode dual map, dual map mode

single map, single map mode

arrow guidance

turn list guidance, turn by turn guidance

freeway guidance

intersection guidance

compass mode

Reg Marked Point mark this point, mark

Check Route entire route map, route overview

current position, current location

next destination map

first destination map

second destination map

third destination map

fourth destination map

fifth destination map

final destination map

Change Route quick 1, quick

quick 2

short

route, short route

detour

detour entire route

Delete Destination delete next destination

delete final destination

delete all destinations

Guidance set destination

suspend guidance, stop guidance

resume guidance, start guidance

repeat, repeat guidance, repeat voice

louder

softer

Points of Interest (POI)

General nearest (POI)

Restaurant restaurant, I'm hungry

american restaurant, american food

chinese restaurant, chinese food

continental restaurant, continental food

fast food restaurant

french restaurant, french food

italian restaurant, italian food

japanese restaurant, japanese food

mexican restaurant, mexican food

seafood restaurant, seafood

thai restaurant

other restaurant, other food

Shopping convenience store

department store

grocery store

home and garden

pharmacy

shopping mall, shopping

speciality food store

other retail stores

Automotive auto club, triple A

car wash

gas station, gas

lexus dealership

parking, parking lot, parking garage

service and maintenance, auto service

rental car, rental car agency

toyota dealership

other automotive stores

Travel airport

bus station

campground

commuter rail station

ferry terminal

hotel

rest area, rest stop

train station

Recreation amusement park

botanical garden, zoo

casino

cinema

golf course, golf

historical monuments

horse racing

marina

museum

national and state parks

ski resort, skiing

speedway

sports complex, stadium

theater, performing arts

tourist attraction

tourist information

video rental

winery

Community city center

convention center, exhibition center

court house

fire station

government offices, civic center

higher education, university, college

hospital

library

parks

police station

post office

school

Banking ATM

bank

other financial services

Other beauty and barber shops

coffee house

dry cleaning

health and fitness club

ice cream parlor

other business facilities

Icon Off hide all icons

Destination

Setting Route set destination

show list

address

change state

change city

change street

change candidate

change house number

home, go home

Route to Previous Point previous point start, go to start point

previous destination

Route to Quick Access quick access number 1 …

quick access number 5

"Value While Displayed" enter destination

add to destination

replace destination

cancel

yes

no

Audio

Select Audio Mode radio

AM, AM radio

FM, FM radio

FM1

FM2

CD

CD changer

SAT

Audio On/Off audio on

audio off

Radio Operation seek up

seek down

Disc Operation track up, next track

track down, previous track

disc up, next disc

disc down, previous disc

Climate

Auto AC On/Off automatic air conditioning on

automatic air conditioning off

Temperature Raise/Lower raise temperature, warmer

lower temperature, cooler

Adjust Temperature 65 degrees …

85 degrees

Help

Help Commands help, command help, command list

Phone

Calling dial by number

dial by name

correction

yes

no

delete

next candidate

cancel

[SW03ES]

I agree that the lockout is beyond annoying, but you can't fault anyone for protecting themselves from liability in a world as sue happy as this one...

[Stanturk]

Thanks for the comments on this.

I have seen the codes for the 6.1 disk on posted on another board for the Tacoma truck, but it mentioned a "joystick" and I don't know how that might translate to a touch screen.

Meanwhile, like many, my passenger (wife) is really annoyed that she cannot look up restaurant destinations while on an interstate so we know what exit to take. Arguably it is more dangerous to pull over on the shoulder than for a passenger to operate the system. Other manufactures (as well as Hertz) seem to do ok and not incurr undue liability.

[lex250awd]

Thanks for the comments on this.

I have seen the codes for the 6.1 disk on posted on another board for the Tacoma truck, but it mentioned a "joystick" and I don't know how that might translate to a touch screen.

Meanwhile, like many, my passenger (wife) is really annoyed that she cannot look up restaurant destinations while on an interstate so we know what exit to take. Arguably it is more dangerous to pull over on the shoulder than for a passenger to operate the system. Other manufactures (as well as Hertz) seem to do ok and not incurr undue liability.

I went to Car Toys in Portland, OR this weekend and they know how to accomplish this with just a quick wire change on the ground; however, due to liability, they will not do it for me. :chairshot:

[Doug Bates]

As a new Lexus owner (but long-time toyota owner) I find the Nav "Lock Out" so annoying that I am considering selling the damn thing for an Acura. I am assuming that Lexus knows how badly they have misread their customers on this and that a software update is in the works (does anyone know if that is so?). I simply cannot keep a car that treats me like this! My wife is also irritated that she is not considered capable of handling the navigation while I drive.

As for getting to the initial diagnostics screen, push and hold the info button and turn the parking lights on and off 3 times. Sounds crazy, but that works. I am not aware of any tricks beyond that point, but there is an interesting missing button on one of the screens.

[Stanturk]

I went to Car Toys in Portland, OR this weekend and they know how to accomplish this with just a quick wire change on the ground; however, due to liability, they will not do it for me. :chairshot:

Curious as to what "quick wire change on the ground" means.

[lex250awd]

I sold my Honda Accord 2003 with NAV and it did not lockout the use while driving. The other very strange thing I notice about the Lexus NAV is the very poor voice command structure and it's very sensitive recognition. Depending on ambient noise the NAV is not able to understand voice commands.

The Honda was able to determine your voice with about 99% accuracy and all the commands were very so easy you did not need a manual. Below is just a simple example.

Find nearest gas station ... all listings are displayed with a scroll list with the cloeset to your current position. (Lexus will show a list if you stop the car)

Find nearest gas station, hospital, mexican resturant, display current position, Menu, Information, etc.

For the most part, any thing you can think of it can display or find with only a few limitations and any person in the vehicle can use their voice without any learning.

It would seem Lexus would learn from just looking at Honda and Acura to make the NAV easy and able to operate while moving. I guess Lexus is way behind the times. In spite of the Nav lockout and poor use of voice commands, I still love the car.

Oh well, it is what it is! Good luck ....

[Rontenfour]

Hi Everyone -- I am a brand new Lexus ES 350 owner. I bought the car for the looks, performance, comfort, and Nav System. The Nav System was demonstrated pre-sale with enough "confusion" so it was not apparent that the system does virtually nothing unless the car is stopped. I am so annoyed I too am ready to sell the car or at a minimum request a rebate for the full purchase price of the Nav System from the dealership.

HOWEVER, I would MUCH prefer a solution so that I can (as a passenger) use the full set of Nav functions including Local POI Lists and Destination spec while driving.

Just think of normal day to day activity. Get in car, start and drive onto local community road. OK, where do we want to go. Oh, right, the kid's new home. Let's see, I have that registered as a Memory Point. and then I realize I can do no more. AAARRRGGGGHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Can ANYone help?

Thanks

Ron

[SW03ES]

I've driven this car for 4 years with this nav system. Is it annoying that you can't type destinations in when driving? Yes. Does it make the system unusable? Not at all, you just have to plan ahead. Just put your top destinations in the presets, and pull over for the rest.

[Rontenfour]

I've driven this car for 4 years with this nav system. Is it annoying that you can't type destinations in when driving? Yes. Does it make the system unusable? Not at all, you just have to plan ahead. Just put your top destinations in the presets, and pull over for the rest.

Hi Steve -- I find it hard to believe you find the system usable at ALL in a practical everyday environment. Try to find a restaurant (via a list of local POI for example) while driving in an unfamiliar area at 70 mph on a divided highway - To save you the trouble -- It can't be done. AND, pulling over to a shoulder on a major highway is probably more lethal than having the driver (let alone a front passenger - me) hit a few buttons if they worked properly (AND the way it was "implied" it would work in the pre-sale demonstrations we received). As for a destination input - I find it hard to believe that half a dozen pre-set destinations (quick access) is sufficient to deal with even a significant FRACTION of the destinations you would commonly try to access. It CERTAINLY dos not do the job for us. Like I said, the system as presently configured is a laughing stock (literally the case when I tried to do the retaurant thing with some friends in my new car), an embarrassment, and has an unbelievable number of signifi-CANTS. It is INDEED COMPLETELY UNusable, useless, and I feel I have been "taken" for $2400.00.

Ron

[SW03ES]

Like I told you before I've used this system for 4 years and 80k miles, in fact I have it on two cars. When I want to find a restaurant or something in the POIs...I just pull over. Too many menus to navigate when driving anyways. Any highway you'd be driving on at 70MPH has safe shoulders.

Or, just plan ahead. If I know I'm going to want a restaurant and I'm going to be driving on the highway, I turn the restaurant POIs on and my passenger can scan for them on the display, highlight them and get the info.

You may feel that way, but I think you're being a little over dramatic. I use the nav several times a day, every day and while the lockouts are annoying, they certainly don't make the system unusable. Also remember that the Lexus system is constantly ranked at or near the top when OEM systems are reviewed. Everyone who has ridden in my car has wanted the system for themselves, and several of my colleagues have purchased Toyota and Lexus cars simply to get the same system I have.

As for being duped, didn't you drive the car and test out the system before you bought it?

If it really bothers you that much, install one of the several kits or switches to work around it. Getting a refund isn't going to happen for you, nobody hides the fact that the system locks out functions when the car is in motion, and had you actually taken the time to learn about the car before you bought it you'd know that.

[Rontenfour]

Like I told you before I've used this system for 4 years and 80k miles, in fact I have it on two cars. When I want to find a restaurant or something in the POIs...I just pull over. Too many menus to navigate when driving anyways. Any highway you'd be driving on at 70MPH has safe shoulders.

Or, just plan ahead. If I know I'm going to want a restaurant and I'm going to be driving on the highway, I turn the restaurant POIs on and my passenger can scan for them on the display, highlight them and get the info.

You may feel that way, but I think you're being a little over dramatic. I use the nav several times a day, every day and while the lockouts are annoying, they certainly don't make the system unusable. Also remember that the Lexus system is constantly ranked at or near the top when OEM systems are reviewed. Everyone who has ridden in my car has wanted the system for themselves, and several of my colleagues have purchased Toyota and Lexus cars simply to get the same system I have.

As for being duped, didn't you drive the car and test out the system before you bought it?

If it really bothers you that much, install one of the several kits or switches to work around it. Getting a refund isn't going to happen for you, nobody hides the fact that the system locks out functions when the car is in motion, and had you actually taken the time to learn about the car before you bought it you'd know that.

Hi Steve -- I don't know who you think you're talking to, but let me assure you:

1. I drove the car prior to purchase.

2. The Nav system was demonstrated, but the stoppage requirements were NOT obvious to either of us

3. I had told the Sales Agent how excited I was about using it (as I described above) and asked for an

advanced copy of the Manual. I looked at some of the manual parts online, but I did not find ANY

mention of the requirement to be stopped in the manual. And in fact I still haven't.

4. I have looked online for a "switch" which will solve the problem and have asked the dealership for

assistance on this. Thus far, the dealership has not responded and the devices I have read about have

failed and have been returned by the buyers. If you know of a switch that does in fact work, kindly

share with me how I can purchase one. My appraisal of the car and Lexus will dramatically improve if

the Nav System can be made to work.

[SW03ES]

LOL Did you ever think to try and program destinations when driving? Ever think to just do a little research about the car, read a review? Lexus isn't the only manufacturer that blocks out navigation programming functions when the car is in motion, most of them do as a matter of fact.

Again...just stop the car to program destinations! Annoying sure, but I can only think of one carmaker who'se cars you would be able to program when driving...Acura. Everybody else blocks out programming when driving.

As for a switch, just do a search on here and on other Lexus forums. There are ways to install a switch, but it will void all kinds of warranties. I wouldn't do it, I would and do just pull over to program. The system works extremely well.

[Rontenfour]

Steve --

PS to my prior note --

I did not mean to suggest that ANYone intentionally mislead me on the Nav System. It was an unfortunate

set of circumstances that simply did not make it obvious that the car had to be stopped for many functions to work.

In addition, while I have not heard back from the dealership, that does not mean that they won't respond. They HAVE called and we have played "Phone-Tag" thus far. So I do not know what alternatives they may offer. BUT, I have been told that that is the way it is SUPPOSED to work.

Cheers,

Ron

[Rontenfour]

LOL Did you ever think to try and program destinations when driving? Ever think to just do a little research about the car, read a review? Lexus isn't the only manufacturer that blocks out navigation programming functions when the car is in motion, most of them do as a matter of fact.

Again...just stop the car to program destinations! Annoying sure, but I can only think of one carmaker who'se cars you would be able to program when driving...Acura. Everybody else blocks out programming when driving.

As for a switch, just do a search on here and on other Lexus forums. There are ways to install a switch, but it will void all kinds of warranties. I wouldn't do it, I would and do just pull over to program. The system works extremely well.

Steve -- I was told that there were "devices" that can be installed to fix the problem and that they would NOT void any warranties. I specifically asked that very question. That was not a technical individual, however, so it is possible that confusion further reigns.

As I indicated, I HAVE looked for said devices online doing all kinds of searches with Google, Yahoo, and Mozilla to name a few. That is how I know at least some of the offered devices do not work properly. If you are able to recommend a specific vendor of a device that is "proven to work" and does not void warranties, I will be most appreciative if you are willing to share that invaluable knowledge......

Thanks,

Ron

[Stanturk]

Whew!!

OK guys, get a couple of smooth jazz CDs and take a ride out to the country in your new, gorgeous, wonderful, Lexus.

Sooner or later someone will figure out a decent workaround for those of us who want it.

'Til then enjoy the nice ride.

[Rontenfour]

LOL Did you ever think to try and program destinations when driving? Ever think to just do a little research about the car, read a review? Lexus isn't the only manufacturer that blocks out navigation programming functions when the car is in motion, most of them do as a matter of fact.

Again...just stop the car to program destinations! Annoying sure, but I can only think of one carmaker who'se cars you would be able to program when driving...Acura. Everybody else blocks out programming when driving.

As for a switch, just do a search on here and on other Lexus forums. There are ways to install a switch, but it will void all kinds of warranties. I wouldn't do it, I would and do just pull over to program. The system works extremely well.

Steve - And finally -- Yes I did a fair amount of research prior to purchase - I dare say more than most people do..... None talked about the failures of the Navigation System

Ron

[SW03ES]

Ah okay, I misunderstood you then.

Before you go trying to find all these things, try and live with it for a little while. Really, its not that big a deal. You get used to planning out your destinations ahead of time, if you're going to multiple destinations for instance you can program up to 5 in succession so the system can take you there one at a time. Like I said before you can set it so it displays a POI icon for gas stations or restaurants or whatever, and you can zoom in and out and pan on the screen to check out stuff around you without stopping. You can also detour around traffic when you're moving too.

It may seem really obnoxious now, but its not as big a deal as it appears to you.

As far as research, what you are discussing isn't a failure of the navigation system, the system is designed to keep drivers from programming it while the car is in motion as almost ALL OEM systems are. They're protecting themselves from liability and preparing for when they are required to do this by the DOT. There are literally HUNDREDS of threads here and on other Lexus boards about the fact that the navigation system does this, as there are on all the boards for all the other manufacturers who'se systems operate the same way.

This is your original complaint:

Just think of normal day to day activity. Get in car, start and drive onto local community road. OK, where do we want to go. Oh, right, the kid's new home. Let's see, I have that registered as a Memory Point. and then I realize I can do no more. AAARRRGGGGHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your problem is that you drive off before you figure out where you want to go. Most people have a destination in mind before they get out on the road. Here's how you can be happy with your navigation system:

Get in car and start. OK, where do we want to go? Oh right, the kid's new home. Let's see, I have that registered as a Memory Point. Select the memory point and set the destination, THEN drive onto the local community road.

Just because the system doesn't operate EXACTLY how you would like, doesn't mean its a failure. 99% of people don't drive off without a destination in mind. How do you know what direction to head if you haven't decided where you're going yet?!?

[Rontenfour]

Ah okay, I misunderstood you then.

Before you go trying to find all these things, try and live with it for a little while. Really, its not that big a deal. You get used to planning out your destinations ahead of time, if you're going to multiple destinations for instance you can program up to 5 in succession so the system can take you there one at a time. Like I said before you can set it so it displays a POI icon for gas stations or restaurants or whatever, and you can zoom in and out and pan on the screen to check out stuff around you without stopping. You can also detour around traffic when you're moving too.

It may seem really obnoxious now, but its not as big a deal as it appears to you.

As far as research, what you are discussing isn't a failure of the navigation system, the system is designed to keep drivers from programming it while the car is in motion as almost ALL OEM systems are. They're protecting themselves from liability and preparing for when they are required to do this by the DOT. There are literally HUNDREDS of threads here and on other Lexus boards about the fact that the navigation system does this, as there are on all the boards for all the other manufacturers who'se systems operate the same way.

This is your original complaint:

Just think of normal day to day activity. Get in car, start and drive onto local community road. OK, where do we want to go. Oh, right, the kid's new home. Let's see, I have that registered as a Memory Point. and then I realize I can do no more. AAARRRGGGGHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your problem is that you drive off before you figure out where you want to go. Most people have a destination in mind before they get out on the road. Here's how you can be happy with your navigation system:

Get in car and start. OK, where do we want to go? Oh right, the kid's new home. Let's see, I have that registered as a Memory Point. Select the memory point and set the destination, THEN drive onto the local community road.

Just because the system doesn't operate EXACTLY how you would like, doesn't mean its a failure. 99% of people don't drive off without a destination in mind. How do you know what direction to head if you haven't decided where you're going yet?!?

Oh Steve -- Just when I thought maybe you were "getting it"...... Oh well. Just a morsel for thought. I live in a community wherein I drive for about 0.4 of a mile before I make any turns in a specific destination direction. Get it ????

AND -- Clicking on every restaurant icon on the screen trying to find the "right one" sure beats scrolling thru a nice alphabetized list now doesn't it ?? And if there are enough Icons (frequently), it's virtually impossible to "click" on them all

It may well be the way it is and will be, but it is NOT they way most people intuitively EXPECT it to be as evidenced by EVERYONE who has seen the failed demo in my car, and you yourself find it "annoying" (per Am Heritage Dictionary "a source of troublesome repeated acts" - In this case Nav System failure to perform as expected)

Bye ......

Ron

[SW03ES]

No, I don't get it, why would you drive away from your house and THEN decide where you are going? That makes zero sense whether you have to turn in any one direction or not. And even if thats how you traditionally operate, why is it impossible for you to stop doing that? Why is it the end of the world for you to sit in your driveway for a second and decide where you want to go before you get underway?!?

As for the restaurants, did I ever say it was as convienient as scrolling through a list? No, I said it is a way to look for a restaurant without having to stop. Its not possible to set the system up where you can scroll through an alphabetized list of POIs while driving without voiding the warranty. You shouldnt be doing that while driving anyways. You can either whine and cry, or you can try and adapt what you want to do with what the system is capable of doing. I'd like my cell phone to make me waffles and do my taxes too, but it doesn't do that so I just make my own waffles.

Yes the lockout is annoying, but its not that big a deal, you get used to planning ahead and the benefits of having the system far outweigh the minor annoyance of having to stop to type in a destination. My question is, what do you expect anybody to do for you? You strike me as being completely unwilling to learn to adapt to the way the system works, and this system works exactly like EVERY other OEM navigation system except the one from Acura. Mercedes, BMW, Infiniti, all of them lock out destination and POI functions when moving. The DOT will absolutely make this lockout mandatory, sooner rather than later as cars become more advanced. Plenty of things in life are annoying, I wish my DVR would record more than 2 shows at once, but its not designed to do that so I make do.

Just because you failed to do the required research and testing prior to purchasing a car with a nav system doesn't mean it failed. You simply want it to do something that its specifically designed not to do for safety reasons. You can either choose to continue to be upset about this, or you can take the suggestions I've given you to get used to what the system will not let you do at speed. I wish it allowed you to do this stuff when driving too, but it doesn't and nor does anybody else's nav system so there's no use in being angry about it.

If you're going to be mad about something, be mad we live in such a litigious society that companies have to make their products less useful to protect themselves from enormous liability. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you were the first person to file a class action suit against Toyota if you ran over a kid in a crosswalk while looking for the closest Denny's on the nav screen while you decide where you want to go after you've already been on the road for 20 minutes. Do you not see how crazy that sounds?

Again, just pull the damn car over and input your destination! Keep yourself and those you share the road with safe and stop aggrivating yourself about this.

[SW03ES]

Check out this review of the Lexus nav system by PCMag

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,2926,00.asp

A quote:

...No built-in car navigation is better than the Lexus DVD Navigation System,...

A user review of the Lexus system vs the BMW system:

http://gpsinformation.net/lexusbmw.htm

... If you haven't figured it out by now I'll admit that I simply love the

Lexus system....

Just look around. You'll find mention of the lockout in some articles and reviews, but for the most part you'll realize it doesn't really bother people.

[Rontenfour]

No, I don't get it, why would you drive away from your house and THEN decide where you are going? That makes zero sense whether you have to turn in any one direction or not. And even if thats how you traditionally operate, why is it impossible for you to stop doing that? Why is it the end of the world for you to sit in your driveway for a second and decide where you want to go before you get underway?!?

As for the restaurants, did I ever say it was as convienient as scrolling through a list? No, I said it is a way to look for a restaurant without having to stop. Its not possible to set the system up where you can scroll through an alphabetized list of POIs while driving without voiding the warranty. You shouldnt be doing that while driving anyways. You can either whine and cry, or you can try and adapt what you want to do with what the system is capable of doing. I'd like my cell phone to make me waffles and do my taxes too, but it doesn't do that so I just make my own waffles.

Yes the lockout is annoying, but its not that big a deal, you get used to planning ahead and the benefits of having the system far outweigh the minor annoyance of having to stop to type in a destination. My question is, what do you expect anybody to do for you? You strike me as being completely unwilling to learn to adapt to the way the system works, and this system works exactly like EVERY other OEM navigation system except the one from Acura. Mercedes, BMW, Infiniti, all of them lock out destination and POI functions when moving. The DOT will absolutely make this lockout mandatory, sooner rather than later as cars become more advanced. Plenty of things in life are annoying, I wish my DVR would record more than 2 shows at once, but its not designed to do that so I make do.

Just because you failed to do the required research and testing prior to purchasing a car with a nav system doesn't mean it failed. You simply want it to do something that its specifically designed not to do for safety reasons. You can either choose to continue to be upset about this, or you can take the suggestions I've given you to get used to what the system will not let you do at speed. I wish it allowed you to do this stuff when driving too, but it doesn't and nor does anybody else's nav system so there's no use in being angry about it.

If you're going to be mad about something, be mad we live in such a litigious society that companies have to make their products less useful to protect themselves from enormous liability. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if you were the first person to file a class action suit against Toyota if you ran over a kid in a crosswalk while looking for the closest Denny's on the nav screen while you decide where you want to go after you've already been on the road for 20 minutes. Do you not see how crazy that sounds?

Again, just pull the damn car over and input your destination! Keep yourself and those you share the road with safe and stop aggrivating yourself about this.

Steve --

Button-Up, your ignorance is showing ............

[SW03ES]

HAHAHAHAHA! MY ignorance is showing? Oh well I guess all of us who have and are able to use the system and all the reviews that praise it as being one of if not the best OEM system out there must just be ignorant. You of course are absolutely correct, the system is a failure because you can't leave your house and THEN decide where you're going after you're already on the way without stopping to enter a destination and can't scroll through lists while careening down the highway at 80MPH. Of course, it makes no sense why you should plan a destination before you leave home or pull over to find a POI to keep yourself and everybody else on the road safe. But I'M ignorant, what a laugh. You're exactly the reason why these lockouts exist.

I don't think there's anything I or anybody else can do for you, you'll just have to stay miserable. Enjoy.

[Rontenfour]

Steve --

It may perhaps be difficult for you to believe, but I am not one who enjoys nor seeks conflict. I wish the prior counter-productive posts had not occurred and I apologize for my contribution thereto.

Ron