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A/c Stopped; And Cloth Seat Covers


Paul Sherman

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'93 LS400, 180K miles.

My A/C stopped working yesterday. It sounds like the

compressor is still engaging OK, so I hope I just ran low

on freon. How big a deal is it to recharge the system?

(Don't have the gauges, so probably a bad idea, but

just in case...)

Also, I could use a source for some cloth seat covers

(at least for summer use...)

OK, I have a bit of a problem, I sweat easily and

a lot. Driving a car with leather seats in warm weather

or on long drives leaves my back soaked in sweat; not

any fun for me or the seat. And now, without A/C...

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I had to recharge my old car and it was simple.. Either you take it to a general mechanic for about 80 bucks he can tell you what is up and add a bit of freon or you can go to auto zone and buy a can of freon..

I had some issues with the can so I took it to a mechanic.. If it worked until recently it should not be that bad. Maybe down an ounce or two which would cost up to 50 bucks..

So I would say up to $125 for the freon charge or try for your self for $20

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for 93 its R134a, so I think it could be cheaper.

By the way if your R134a is low your compressor should not engage. It has a safety feature to protect compressor damage until the R134a is replenished.

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Sometimes if its low it cycles on and off.. LEXUS is high end so I would think it would for the most part stay off.

Directions come with cd rom and you add through the low end. Fatter tube... Pressure differential in ac units is low end 10PSI and high end 150PSI..

The freon kits come with 8 or 16 oz bottles.. These include oil which is in system to help lube the compressor.. Good luck

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Follow-up

Thanks all for the hints!

I found the port to put in the freon. Almost immedieately

after I hooked it up the compressor started working. The

system took just over one can. Now to see if it holds, or

if there's a leak...

Oh, and any suggested sources for the little plastic port cap?

Mine disappeared (brain f**t on my part)...

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Paul,

My AC just all of a sudden one day quit working also.

The compressor is not engaging. 

How do you know how much freon to add?

Thanks

glenmore

1990 LS400

1991 300CE

2000 C280

There is a sight glass on the receiver/dryer behind the passenger headlight. If you don't have the gauges that an AC shop would use you can check the sight glass for the presence of bubbles. Once all bubbles have disappeared, stop. Do not continue adding or you'll overdo it and it won't blow as cold.

Once you get enough pressure in the system the compressor will start up - assuming it's not locked up. If it's locked up the AC light on the climate control panel will be blinking. If you have a leak, you'll know in a couple of days.

Has your system been converted to R134a?

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Update...

Phooey!

It looks like I have a leak. The AC stopped working again yesterday.

My mechanic was in, so I stopped by his shop, we added dye

and ~ 25 oz of freon. And we can't find the leak yet.

However...

When I fire up the fan, I get a funny smell out of the vents

for about 1-2 seconds. At first I thought it was a mildew

build up, but now I wonder if I'm not smelling freon. If so,

then I suspect the evaporator is leaking.

Just in case it is the evaporator, are there suggestions for

sources and links to a "how-to" on changing it (I'm sure

it ain't gonna be fun...) :(

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Paul,

Don't think you can smell freon. Mine leaked out after changing the compressor and converting to R134a. I tried the dye "thing" but couldn't locate the leak so i replaced all the o-rings including the evaporator core. I think the one that actually caused the leak was on the compressor high side port (which i should have been able to see from the dye - but didn't). I would suggest you replace the all the o-rings except the evaporator core and recharge. Also check condition of schrader valve on both low side recharge ports and the high side port on the receiver drier. The rest of the o-rings are relatively easy to replace. The evaporator core was a BEAR. :cries: If it still leaks then you can tackle the evaporator core. Mine's a 91 w/ 182k and the evaporator was in great shape so i basically spent half a day for nothing.

hope that helps.

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Being ever so hopeful... :unsure:

From what I've found in searching the archives, it sounds

like at least some of the o-rings are fairly standard. Any

outliers I need to worry about?

I'm nervous about evacuating and recharging the system...

BTW I found the pdf download containing the shop manual

info on working on the AC system. Highly recommend it.

Just wish I had the AC tools to do that work properly...

Given the tool limitations is there another way to evacuate

freon and purge air from the system once it's put back together?

I am fairly mechanically minded and willing to tackle new

challenges. Did 90% of the work on my 1940 Chevy street rod;

assembling engine, frame off body/frame restoration, designed

and installed wiring from scratch, modified the dash for new

digital gauges and DIN stereo, etc. Never worked on AC before,

get to learn something new at 48+!!

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Being ever so hopeful...  :unsure:

Just wish I had the AC tools to do that work properly...

Given the tool limitations is there another way to evacuate

freon and purge air from the system once it's put back together?

You need a vacuum pump and a manifold with gauges to evacuate system and properly recharge. You should also add oil; need at least a hand-pump for that.

I have a '90 LS,270k, and the air quit last yr. My son took it to a local AC shop, and they told him the compressor was shot. We didn't touch it until recently, due to expense, and where we live has very mild weather. Anyway, while at a friends in Sacramento, where it gets VERY hot, I told him about our AC, and he volunteered to check it. He has the necessary tools and freon. He charged the system with R-22 to check the comp. and for leaks, and pumped in some red-dyed oil. The comp. was working fine! We couldn't find any leaks, so he evacuated the R-22 and charged with R-12. After more than a month, it's still working! That little shop ripped me off for a small inspection fee, but he was probably fishing for a big payoff on a phony repair job!

All the caps were missing, so I picked some off a toyota at the junkyard, N/C. That may have been the reason for the system failure, leaky valves.

By the way , freon smells like propane. If that's what you smell inside the car, that's where your leak might be.

John

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  • 2 weeks later...

Follow-up...

I was SOOOO unlucky!!

Evaporator shot, along with most of the rest of the plumbing.

I think the only thing not replaced was the compressor.

$2000 later, I have AC. Phooey :(

To make it worse, the AC/heater control is now acting up...

No heat function (it appears) and either no low or no medium

fan speed. The shop called me the day they took it in and

told me about it...that part was working fine when I took it in.

May be a coincidence, may be a screw-up on their end

(though they've done well for me on other vehicles)

Regardless, guess I need to contact Jim Walker and see if

he can repair the whole control (I know he does the display)

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