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Tak'n your Lexus to a Jiffy Lube type facility for trouble shooting as you described doesn't make sense. There are plenty of Lexus Dealer-Services that do a Great Job and when you get to know the Service Technicians... they are empowered to give you some great discounts. Such is Dean DeCastro of Lexus of Serramonte... always treated me excellent when servicing and troubleshooting my 92 LS 400 Air Suspension.... rides better than are 2004 LS 430. The Time and Aggravation just isn't worth it. Time is Money!!!

ABSOLUTELY Works GREAT!!! Simply UN-Crippling!!! Tried it on my BUDDY's 2003 LX.... SUCCESS!!!!! Addl Comments: I notice I have to REPEAT this everytime my LS is turned on. Is there a way to Avoid always having to repeat the process? We would like to be able to use the PHONE FUNCTIONS but are locked out. Is there a method to over-ride this portion of the Navigation????? Thank you Greg

Bill, I just finished with my Second FREE Service on my LS 430. Short of Strong Arming my Service Adviser, Dean de Castro, I unfortunately had to accept the fact that because of Lexus Dealership Policy, they will not ADDRESS or FIX the Speed Sensor Problem. HOWEVER, where there is Demand, there is Supply and it can be done by an outside electronic firm. Most of these Car Stereo places have the expertise to disable that Speed Sensor momentarily with a discrete switch, because to disable it permanently would have a negative effect on the Guidance Location which relys on that same connection. So the switch is thrown just long enough to allow you to make your phone calls, or find the nearest In-N-Out Burger. Nonetheless, I encourage all of those interested in sending a letter to Lexus Corp of American with Copies to their local dealer (mine was Lexus of Serramonte) and seeing if they can't come up with a Software/Hardware Fix. :chairshot: De Castro, Robert Fraley and some of the other employees of Lexus of Serramonte, CA, are sympathetic and are very much aware of the complaints about the 'Crippling Speed Sensor' on an otherwise wonderful Navigational/Blue Tooth Telephone System. I've heard some suggest a weight sensor in the front passenger seat to disable the CMS (crippling motion sensor) but that can easily be fooled by me and others. I'd simply transport Milly, my Ghetto Rescued American Pit Bull Terrier with her 70 lbs of Muscle-Bulk, so there has to be a better way. ;) * The Motion Sensor Switch * Upgraded voice enabled Control: "POI" "Nearest" "In-N-Out Burger" etc. Pulling over on the Freeway 101 during the commute hour in order to enable your navigational update is DANGEROUS and NOT the best way. :chairshot:

I just took my pulse.... its under 90. During the 'Process' at Lexus of Serramonte, the concern on my part was trying to locate my Wife's favorite color combination: Silver and Black (she is not a Raider's Fan however). They found one at another dealership to my relief. We did not get around to attempting to program the Navigational System on the fly. Oh well, that's the only complaint I have about the interior functionality. Otherwise, its the best vehicle I've ever owned aside from my 1960 Valiant hand me down from dad, the American Auto Maker's Original Road Toad. Pardon my Navigational spelling error.

When I saw the 7 miles on the ODOMETER, and LOW on the Gauge, my question pop'd into my mind.... Lexus of Serramonte gave me a FULL Tank of Gas on each of the three Lexus vehicles I have purchased from them and I thought it very Reasonable for Toyota to hand you the keys and a full tank of gas.

My Wife's vehicle is an LS 430 Ultra. I drive it about 30% of the time. My personal vehicle is a Subaru Outback. Although Subaru is a long time in bringing a proprietary Navigational System for the Outback enthusiasts.... I recently purchased the newest Garmin 2620..... anyway: I am ADDING my Complaint to the Multitude of Disappointed Lexus Owners who paid for a very expensive Lexus AND Navigational System with its Crippling Motion Sickness Attitude: Not being able to utilize the functionality while the vehicle is moving over 5 MPH. THIS So Limits the Navigational System, for after all, one drives their vehicle (motion). Most Stop Light Sequences will NOT give you enough time to INPUT your route, or seek a POI. Ever try to find a parking spot, or pull over in the Streets of San Francisco.... damn difficult, and the time it would take to enter the information in the Navigational System while parked would enable some BUM on the corner to take the opportunity to come over and pee on your Lexus wheels, or how about pulling over, inputing the info and then getting carjacked. When my Lexus of Serramonte Dealer demonstrated the overwhelming features of the LS430, I don't recall Bob metioning the motion sensor disabling the programing when the vehicle is in motion above 3 to 5 MPH. I wonder how many out there DISCOVERED the Navigational Short Coming AFTER they purchased and took possession of their Lexus???? THE MOMENT OF DISCOVERY: I FIRST became aware of the inability to program the LS430's Navigational System traveling down Senic 280 from the dealership. I thought I was doing something wrong (its menuing system does have a learning curve and the interface is a bit cryptic).... after many UNSUCCESSFUL attempts, I was irritated AND distracted which could very well have led to a collision, injuries etc....... SO, I don't buy the Lexus Liability Logic and Reasoning.... hell with all the Internal Bells and Whistles in the LS430 who's to say what level of distraction can cause an accident and incur Lexus Liability. Although the Lexus Navigational System will ALLOW you to ACCESS the POI when it has to do with a Police or Hospital Emergency. ....... To me, when I'm hungry and have the desire for an In N Out Burger Animal Style, while traveling down a Major Highway in Calif, that is an emergency. Since the CHP discourage you from pulling over on the shoulder of a freeway, the only other option I have is to keep an eye out for an In-N-Out Bill Board Sign (that's distracting). This Motion Sensor has even CRIPPLED my Bluetooth Phone Functionality using the on screen # Pads. This forces me to grope for my LG Blue Tooth Phone and try to dial using the phone which is FAR MORE DIFFICULT and a GREATER RISK and potential libability for Lexus. In the words of Dr Phil.... Lexus WHAT WERE YOU THINKING????? (Take a page from Mercedes, Acura and Others that allow the passenger/driver to utilize the functionality of the navigational system without pulling over and stopping on our highways. I just purchased a Garmin 2620 and it allows one to program on the move. There is a disclaimer which you agree to everytime its turned on. OK, I'll live with that. Having a FULLY functional navigational system is a lot less dangerous than a female driving down Lane One of a Freeway putting on her makeup. Seriously, I intend to bring some of the selected comments I have compiled from this forum. and bring it to the attention of my Lexus Dealership Thursday when I have the LS430 serviced. I might even take it a step further and send it to Lexus/USA. So what's the answer.... Lexus, RETHINK your policy, or how about expanding the Voice Activation System where you can simply activate the microphone and tell the System to Dial "Mom" "Home" or Say the Numbers (Cell Port System Allows this), or use a command "Locate" and Say the name. I don't know, FOOD for THOUGHT...... speaking of which, there is a NEW IN-N-Out Burger which just opened up in Burlingame. Never been there, not sure where it is.... Better take my Subaru/Garmin 2620 just in case I get lost ;)

We have a 2004 LS430. All the aforementioned Problems of not being able to utilize the functionality while the vehicle is moving over 5 MPH is so FRIGGING Annoying. For my other vehicle, I purchased the NEWEST Garmin 2620..... Xcellent Performance and does so much more than the Lexus Nav System and you can Program It on the Fly. I'm compiling a list of complaints about the Lexus Motion Sensor disabling the ability of the driver OR passenger to access it save a Police or Hospital Emergency. To me when I'm hungry and have the desire for an In N Out Burger Animal Style, while traveling down a Major Highway IS an emergency. I intend to bring some of the selected complaints I was able to locate on this forum on line to my Lexus Dealership Thursday when I have the LS430 serviced. Maybe a copy to Lexus Corp. CHP does not want you to pull to the side of the Freeway for the purposes of USING your Lexus Navigational System. Even the ability to dial using the on screen # Pads is disabled, forcing me to use my LG Blue Tooth Phone which is a greater RISK FACTOR. In the words of Dr Phil.... Lexus WHAT WERE YOU THINKING????? (Take a page from Mercedes, Acura and Others that allow the passenger/driver to utilize the functionality of the navigational system without pulling over and stopping on our highways. Liability?: Good Ideas: Passenger Sensor In the Seat, then I could use my 80 lb Pit Bull (She doesn't Shed)'s weight to allow programing on the fly. Another Idea would to allow voice commands "Nearest In N Out please". I've seen so much 'distractions' in drivers operating their vehicles, having a FULLY functional navigational system is a lot less dangerous than a female driving down the Lane ! Freeway putting on her makeup. Speaking of In N Out, there's a new one in Burlingame.... think I'll take the Subaru/Garman 2620 just in case.

GEE, The Least they could have done is FILL it UP for you.