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The Buick Lacrosse, which has out sold Lexus for the last two months, has quite a bit of plastic wood-like trim inside and even the Honda Accord sports a generous touch of wood-like trim. The Buick is trying to appeal to the younger buyer and I think the Accord has always appealed to a pretty wide age range.

The largest market are the boomer's and they have more money. However, the younger buyers purchase more frequently, and trade more often. Their also less loyal, and generally have less money. The 2012 ES should continue to be the bread and butter of the Lexus line and that should mean an interior for boomer's, but sleek enough for the gen x.

Paul

I love the dash in the Lacrosse.I think the blue lighting is so cool. I drove the 4cyl. yesterday and found it to be very responsive.

I really don't want to wait 9 to 10 mos. to buy my first Lexus.But if i buy a 2011 now i just might be very PO if the 2012 is much more to my liking.

I hear ya...I bought my 2011 a few months ago cause the tranny in my maxima was on its last leg, but I definitely would have waited with the new 2012 coming out

big assumption, but assuming lexus does not have production problems, you should see the 2012's in 6-7 months, so not too bad

Well if that's the case,i just might wait 6/7 Mos

BTW: Will the 2011 get less expensive in 6/7 mos.?

OK Thanks.

I can't find any as a standard or as an option.

I really don't want to wait 9 to 10 mos. to buy my first Lexus.But if i buy a 2011 now i just might be very PO if the 2012 is much more to my liking.

Does anyone know if the Lexus Body and interior will get any changes in 2012.

Can someone please define what this option is.

YES: Please post pictures of those pillows.

It seems around here that the base price for a 2011 350 is 36,000.00.

How much can one go below that price?

The best site hands down for determining what you should pay is carsdirect.com

If you get the carsdirect price, you did well, anything less is great!

Be sure you are comparing apples to apples..so watch the packages/options carefully

Great Thanks

It seems around here that the base price for a 2011 350 is 36,000.00.

How much can one go below that price?

I drove a 2011 350 and about one hour later drove a 2011 genesis.The Genesis was much more comfortable.

The salesman told me it would cost 55.00 for an oil change.They would use synthetic oil.

Does that seem average?

That seems like a very good price. Are you sure it's with synthetic oil? I recently paid $58 for an oil change with dino oil and tire rotation at the dealership.

He did say synthetic oil.

The salesman told me it would cost 55.00 for an oil change.They would use synthetic oil.

Does that seem average?

Just push the SOS button... No BS.

COOL Thanks

I just read that if you have a breakdown to call a toll free number for help.

The salesman told me to just press a button on the top panel and speak into a microphone and someone will ask me for my location.

He said it was a Lexus take on on star. Is this BS?

So the only thing i would be missing is the rear camera. BTW: To what advantage is this camera when the car has rear sensors.

Big advantage. The parking assist, (backup & forward sensors) will sound at intervals from approx. 1.4ft. to 2.0ft. These sensors are excellent when you can not see behind or in front of you such as pulling into a parking place. The rear view camera lets you SEE a wide angle view of the area behind the car such as children, toys, other cars, post in parking lots, etc. However the view is wide enough that it distorts the actual distance the car is from objects on the screen. Thats where the parking sensors can protect you from hitting something before you get to close. The combination works very well together.

Sounds logical. Thanks

So the only thing i would be missing is the rear camera. BTW: To what advantage is this camera when the car has rear sensors.

The funny thing about these three page 'free for alls' is that nothing is ever agreed upon; Nothing is ever solved; but a great deal of information is thrown back and forth, and it gives a bunch of guys something to do! LOL

I too have a Lexus Nav., 2010 version, and a 855 Garmin with voice recognition. Some of you won't like this, but...I like them both. Yes, they both offer excellent features and perform equally well depending upon their specs. I think the reason I like my Lexus Nav is that I did research before I spent the money to have the Nav package added to the ES. By asking a lot of questions and reading these forums I knew what was and what was not possible with the Nav unit.

The Garmin voice recognition is more accurate than the Lexus, but has very few commands available and of course is not integrated, so it cannot control any other car system functions. Unlike some of you, both my Lexus and Garmin 855 provide turn-by-turn directions. I would add that the Garmin is also guilty of not providing accurate directions from time to time when there are two right or left turns, one after the other. ( try I95 at 528 in Florida).

I didn't mean to say anything about features and comparisons sense that has been beaten to death. May all your turns be accurate, and all your destinations entered before you move your car!

Paul

Quite true, although I think many of us agree that the lockout feature preventing you from entering data while moving is a drawback. I do like the fact that many other features are integrated in the Nav system such as audio, climate, backup camera and telephone. That alone makes the Nav system worthwhile. Interestingly, I was in the Miami-Ft Lauderdale area last week on business and experienced my share of scary "turn left-keep left" commands on I95 from my Garmin 1490T. Fortunately, I updated the maps less than a month ago, so I didn't miss any turns.

I do not own a Lexes as yet and all of this info is very helpful. My question is with the Nav. option you also get integrated audio and climate control.With out Nav.how is the audio and climate controlled?

What comes with this option? I drove the ES350 today and i loved it.The salesman said that Lexus has it's own on star type system where you press a button and speak to get assistance. Does this feature only come with the Nav. System?

Thanks for your help. I am going to look at one tomorrow. BTW: I checked out the Hyundai Genesis today,excellent car,drives great looks great inside and out.

Does anyone on this own the hybrid? My wife has a Prius and i was curious how the HS works.

I have been checking out the Lexus ES-350 the Buick Lacrosse and the Hyundai Genesis and i mus say the choice has been very difficult.I know most of you will be very bios since this is a Lexus forum. But i just need a very good reason to choose one of these cars.

Thanks guys for all of your help.

I maybe wrong but I think it is only available with a 3.5 L engine...not a 2.5.

Is there any way i could find out?

Does the ES series come with a 2.5 engine?