yeah, I see your point lenore, had just gotten off phone with lexus of austin and was feeling kinda moody, LOL. Its my wifes car and i guess its a pretty good one, I just wasnt ready to have trans. problems right now, guess theres no good time for that anyway. I have a 93 chevy Z-71 i bought brand new and its got 250,000 miles on it now, 350 TBI, and its never had any trans. work,(automatic overdrive). Its never even had a valve cover off, I think it spoiled me. I drive an 04 chevy aveo to work every day, (64 miles one way). I ignored GM reccomendation on replacing timing belt at 60,000 miles and it slipped in the parking lot after work one day while cranking it, I was really lucky on that one, just towed it home and replaced it, no engine damage, if i had been at cruise speed, can you imagine where the valves would be now? LOL. I will replace it on time now, wound up costing bout 600.00 just for parts, idlers, water pump, belt, tensioner, etc. I have had it changed on wifes rx though. Anyway, thanks for input and have a good day.