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I would like to apologize to everyone as I don't always take the time to properly choose my words and I suppose my initial reply to this post is written so that there is no other way to take it but rude. That truly was not my intention it was suppose to be a more joking smart a$$ tongue in cheek kind of comment but whatever. When attacked I go into attack mode myself and fire back. I know several people (not friends) who are pompous narcassistic "my *BLEEP* doesn't stink like everyone elses" Lexus owner's (and no not all Lexus owner's are that way so don't even start) but I sensed alittle bit of that attitude with the "Infiniti - 15th just after Ford" comment, which the knee jerk reaction was my smart a$$ comment. So, I do sincerely apologize if I ruffled feathers. Now if you would be so kind as to delete my profile or "show me the door" I would appreciate it as I cannot guarantee that I would agree with everything posted and after all what is the point of joining a forum if you can't engage people. (the right way of course). Happy motoring to all ;) No my friend, I think its you that needs a little extra help. There would have been no negativity in this thread if it weren't for you. This is a Lexus forum, if you don't want to read pro-Lexus statements or opinions that Lexus is a better brand than other brands you shouldn't read or participate in the forum. Nobody was disrespectful to anyone but you. If you want to disagree, fine. Do it in such a way that doesn't denigrate the poster (i.e. insinuating that they are "talking smack" or are mentally challenged). If you can't do that, we'll show you the door. Got it?

Whatever dude! Glad I could hold your hand. oh yeah here you go :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

First off I think we all mature enough and intelligent enough to know that different tones can be taken from e-mails and apparently you have taken it upon yourself to take the tone of mine as being hostile, which was not my intent. I intended the statement to be in a joking manner. When dealing with you in the future I will be sure to take time to remember that you are special and need a little extra hand holding in the understanding department. ;) If I would have had time to write a longer comment, as I do now, I would have explained further that my problem with those types of polls is who exactly are they sampling?? Of the 52,000 car owners listed in the article I personally did not get sampled and I have owned several high mileage Infiniti's without ever having a major problem so my point is how realistic is the poll truly. How many people like me without problems or complaints did they pass up on for those who had complaints. This applys to Lexus owners as well, how do you know the number of complaints for Lexus is not even lower than the 120 stated? When you stated earlier "answer to the Infiniti question" I assumed you were referring to an earlier post on the subject of which would you prefer to buy. As to your question on why I am on this site, well, frankly it is none of your business but if I had to share it would be this. I have been considering purchasing an ES as I am looking for a car with a bit more luxury and not so much sport as the G35/37. I thought I would poke around here and read up on the ES and what problems/ issues if any ES owners have been facing prior to making the decision to buy one. If you think that I am somehow a Mole that is here to annoying everyone with arguments and post whoring that is not my intent. But I would prefer, if of course you do not want to receive a reply from me, that you do not bash other vehicles that you do not own and probably have never owned as was clearly your intention when you stated "15th, right after ford" actually they tied with Ford if you want to get technical. Your comment clearly states your opinion of Infiniti as being inferior to a Ford, which still has me laughing. How nice of you to notice I am from Dallas and the football analogy was a nice touch as well, I would not have been able to figure out your point on my own if you had not so eloquently explained it. Perhaps you might want to consider taking things with a grain of salt, just a suggestion of course. :D Last thing I expect to find in a forum for Lexus owners is an Infiniti owner. All I was addressing was what people had written in the past about the same and other rankings. It's obvious you don't believe in those rankings, you bought an Infiniti G35, which I agree is a great and beautiful car. BTW, talking smack would be me going to the Infiniti owner's forum and posting something about this ranking. Kind of like going into Texas Stadium in the middle of all the hometown fans wearing NY Giants gear and yelling, "Tony who???" So, what is your purpose here?

Talk your smack. I believe in those rankings about as much as I believe in the tooth-fairy.

rjt, Thanks so much for the correction. That is good to know. I thought that it was strange that you could not voice activate the radio and climate as well as Nav but that is what the salesman told me. They were pretty busy and the only other demo I guess they would allow you to drive that had nav was out on a test drive by another prospect and I didn't push the issue. I plan to get the Ultra Lux model with Nav, ML, etc. I am a techno gadget guru, what can I say. That

Reza, One more thing. I believe the '09 model year is bringing the Infiniti G37. I hear you on the smoothness. The G35 sedan really is a very smooth ride (especially compared to my current G-coupe, which feels like the old Corvette my family once had), however, the ES probably is even smoother. On the smoothness of rides alone I would say the cars are virtually neck and neck. I do think that the G37 sedan may not be as smooth when it hits the market because they are basically planning that thing as a 4 door version of the current 2 dr G37. I will say that the thing will be SMOKIN fast!! But as I said it comes down to personal preference on what is going to make you happy.

MHawkin - No I know what you were saying. I did not mean my reply to be rude. The Experience is neck in neck but to be honest I guess Lexus would push a bit ahead. While Infiniti service has a bit more positives from what I have studied the plushness of customer spoils would certainly go to Lexus as my dealer does not have a putting green out front or a cafe in the dealership, which I must say I am a bit jealous of. BUT.....I can't buy a car based on those two things alone you know. :)

Also, if you want realiability, stay away from Nissan/Infiniti. Their cars will be problematic much quicker than Toyota/Lexus. Ok, I know I am new here and being a rookie I truly do not want to be disrespectful but the above comment is just absolutely not true. Just agreeing to disagree here not trying to start WWIII or anything. :) I have owned two Infiniti J30's (1-202K miles 1-133K miles) and a Q45 (147K miles) and I am religious with maintenance. Both lasted many years with no major mechanical problems other than a new transmission at 160K miles on the J with 202K miles on it when I sold it.

I would think that the term "guarantee" would be a bit much in comparison to the two vehicles in question. I have been watching this forum for a while now to see what "issues" there are with the ES as I have been considering purchasing an ES and actually drove one last week to get a feel for it. I am currently in an Infiniti G35 coupe and it is my fourth Infiniti that I have owned so first and foremost anyone who tells you that there is any major reliability issues with an Infiniti has absolutely no idea what they are talking about and that is a fact that I would be happy to continue to argue indefinetely. Both car lines had their inception in 1989 with the first model year in 1990. Lexus leaped ahead over Infiniti due to a much much better and well laid out marketing campaign then Inifiniti had ever hoped to initiate. That has a lot to do with the early on perceived "prestige" of owning a Lexus. It would be a mistake to equate an Infiniti to a ford for example. Having said the above, Both car lines are great with well crafted automobiles targeting their respective markets. Lexus chose luxury over sport (which seems to be reversing in newer models) and Infiniti chose sport. The ES is a very nice quite and luxurious car. It feels very classy in the cabin and I was very impressed with the ride for a FWD. I had only three concerns with the vehicle/ dealer that I am currently trying to work through in my decision to purchase one: 1) I do not like the fact that it is a FWD versus RWD (and yes I understand it is a sister to the Camry and that is why it is FWD), however, there is a night and day feel to a RWD and I prefer it better. 2) I did not like the fact that the dealer charges $129 for an oil change and "inspection" of various items that are covered as part of a normal 27-point inspection at each oil change with my Infiniti dealer for $45. This is a blatant extortion tactic of Lexus customers and 3) I do not like to be inconvenienced and the dealer stated that a loaner would not be provided for an oil change. A loaner is always provided for any service item at an Infiniti dealer, even a rattle. Granted, the above are nit picky things probably only cared about by me personally but as I said overall I was very impressed by the ES. I did not like that it does not have the hard drive music player that the G35 has and voice activation is only for the navigation and not for the audio and climate as in the G35 or so I was told as the ES I drove did not have nav. Regarding the G35. This car is built for sport first and luxury 2nd. While the car does feel luxurious on the inside it is not the same type of luxury as in the Lexus. the interior has recently been updated and im my opinion is very eye catching and very well thought out and laid out. you are getting alot more of the technology gadgets and alot more for the money than the Lexus and the Infiniti VQ engine has been in the top ten engines for reliability for the past 12 consecutive years. these engines can easily do 200K miles with proper maintenance with no problem. the G35 has excellent handling and is a super fun car to drive. The exterior lines are very much cutting edge. It all comes down to personal preference. Take me for example, in owning a 2dr sports car I have realized that I prefer a luxury car. While I am Inifiniti loyal, the obvious luxury car choice would be the M35/45, however, I am not in love with that car and I do not want to spend over $50M for a car and I must have all the gadgets. The G35 would certainly be a great car to own but it feels more sports car inspired versus flat luxury like the ES. Hence my Dilemna. I would be sacrificing some technological gadgetry with the ES and the FWD versus RWD or AWD is a huge sticking point for me but the luxury interior and class of the ES is equally appealing and could possibly make up for the fact that it is a FWD. This is a very tough choice for me but again it is personal preference. both cars would be a great choice but I say again, there are no reliability issues with an Infiniti. You may have an occasional squeak or rattle but most cars do and they are fixable with little to no inconvenience. I would tell you to drive both, weigh the options of each and the price and go with you gut. Good luck. :) Brandon