CO Mike

You made reference to the DOT -- "Sometime soon the DOT will make these lockouts law..." Could you please forward me either a link to that source or direct me to whomever gave you that information? As a general note, I've been pleased with the comments from various folks. I, too, have had the navigation system in my other cars -- and, yes I had it in my 430 (which I could override when necessary). My choice in a Japanese car over a German car is purely personal. While I am happy the Germans did not worry so much about litigation, I no longer purchase Mercedes or BMW -- not a ding in any way (they are fine vehicles), just my personal choice these days. I appreciate your (and everyone's) responses. Could you expand on the comment regarding your ability to override the nav lock out on your 430? I have a 2002 LS430 Ultra and would love to access it at my convenience, not when mother Lexus thinks I should. Thank you, Mike