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Hi -- I could not agree more, and am equally frustrated with unsatisfactory responses from Lexus. All I want is to be able to (as the front passenger) use all Nav functions while the car is in motion. I, too, have complained to Lexus and the dealership. The Nav system remains (unhappily) unchanged. Ron

PS to "All" -- I have responses from two local non-Lexus dealerships which confirm that they have "Full Navigation System Function" while the car is in motion. I have read indications here suggesting that only one other manufacturer provides "Full Function Navigation while in motion". Does anyone have any refutations or confirmations ?? Thanks

Hi Rx330driver -- I could not agree MORE with you. In fact I have chatted about the very SAME idea with friends. I hope the right people are listening.... Thanks........

Steve -- It may perhaps be difficult for you to believe, but I am not one who enjoys nor seeks conflict. I wish the prior counter-productive posts had not occurred and I apologize for my contribution thereto. Ron

I am now waiting for my THIRD unit (first 2 did NOT work) - I will post when it arrives and I give it a try. -Ken Hi Everyone -- I see a "Flag" next to my post which says Warn [0%] and 4-5 little blocks. What does that mean?? Did I say something wrong ?? If I did, I apologize..... Thanks, Ron

Hi Everyone -- Does anyone know if the $99.00 package discussed here (or one like it) works for the 2007 Lexus ES-350?? Thanks, Ron

Steve -- Button-Up, your ignorance is showing ............

Your problem is that you drive off before you figure out where you want to go. Most people have a destination in mind before they get out on the road. Here's how you can be happy with your navigation system: Get in car and start. OK, where do we want to go? Oh right, the kid's new home. Let's see, I have that registered as a Memory Point. Select the memory point and set the destination, THEN drive onto the local community road. Just because the system doesn't operate EXACTLY how you would like, doesn't mean its a failure. 99% of people don't drive off without a destination in mind. How do you know what direction to head if you haven't decided where you're going yet?!? Oh Steve -- Just when I thought maybe you were "getting it"...... Oh well. Just a morsel for thought. I live in a community wherein I drive for about 0.4 of a mile before I make any turns in a specific destination direction. Get it ???? AND -- Clicking on every restaurant icon on the screen trying to find the "right one" sure beats scrolling thru a nice alphabetized list now doesn't it ?? And if there are enough Icons (frequently), it's virtually impossible to "click" on them all It may well be the way it is and will be, but it is NOT they way most people intuitively EXPECT it to be as evidenced by EVERYONE who has seen the failed demo in my car, and you yourself find it "annoying" (per Am Heritage Dictionary "a source of troublesome repeated acts" - In this case Nav System failure to perform as expected) Bye ...... Ron

Steve - And finally -- Yes I did a fair amount of research prior to purchase - I dare say more than most people do..... None talked about the failures of the Navigation System Ron

Steve -- I was told that there were "devices" that can be installed to fix the problem and that they would NOT void any warranties. I specifically asked that very question. That was not a technical individual, however, so it is possible that confusion further reigns. As I indicated, I HAVE looked for said devices online doing all kinds of searches with Google, Yahoo, and Mozilla to name a few. That is how I know at least some of the offered devices do not work properly. If you are able to recommend a specific vendor of a device that is "proven to work" and does not void warranties, I will be most appreciative if you are willing to share that invaluable knowledge...... Thanks, Ron

Steve -- PS to my prior note -- I did not mean to suggest that ANYone intentionally mislead me on the Nav System. It was an unfortunate set of circumstances that simply did not make it obvious that the car had to be stopped for many functions to work. In addition, while I have not heard back from the dealership, that does not mean that they won't respond. They HAVE called and we have played "Phone-Tag" thus far. So I do not know what alternatives they may offer. BUT, I have been told that that is the way it is SUPPOSED to work. Cheers, Ron

Hi Steve -- I don't know who you think you're talking to, but let me assure you: 1. I drove the car prior to purchase. 2. The Nav system was demonstrated, but the stoppage requirements were NOT obvious to either of us 3. I had told the Sales Agent how excited I was about using it (as I described above) and asked for an advanced copy of the Manual. I looked at some of the manual parts online, but I did not find ANY mention of the requirement to be stopped in the manual. And in fact I still haven't. 4. I have looked online for a "switch" which will solve the problem and have asked the dealership for assistance on this. Thus far, the dealership has not responded and the devices I have read about have failed and have been returned by the buyers. If you know of a switch that does in fact work, kindly share with me how I can purchase one. My appraisal of the car and Lexus will dramatically improve if the Nav System can be made to work.

Hi Steve -- I find it hard to believe you find the system usable at ALL in a practical everyday environment. Try to find a restaurant (via a list of local POI for example) while driving in an unfamiliar area at 70 mph on a divided highway - To save you the trouble -- It can't be done. AND, pulling over to a shoulder on a major highway is probably more lethal than having the driver (let alone a front passenger - me) hit a few buttons if they worked properly (AND the way it was "implied" it would work in the pre-sale demonstrations we received). As for a destination input - I find it hard to believe that half a dozen pre-set destinations (quick access) is sufficient to deal with even a significant FRACTION of the destinations you would commonly try to access. It CERTAINLY dos not do the job for us. Like I said, the system as presently configured is a laughing stock (literally the case when I tried to do the retaurant thing with some friends in my new car), an embarrassment, and has an unbelievable number of signifi-CANTS. It is INDEED COMPLETELY UNusable, useless, and I feel I have been "taken" for $2400.00. Ron

Hi Everyone -- I am a brand new Lexus ES 350 owner. I bought the car for the looks, performance, comfort, and Nav System. The Nav System was demonstrated pre-sale with enough "confusion" so it was not apparent that the system does virtually nothing unless the car is stopped. I am so annoyed I too am ready to sell the car or at a minimum request a rebate for the full purchase price of the Nav System from the dealership. HOWEVER, I would MUCH prefer a solution so that I can (as a passenger) use the full set of Nav functions including Local POI Lists and Destination spec while driving. Just think of normal day to day activity. Get in car, start and drive onto local community road. OK, where do we want to go. Oh, right, the kid's new home. Let's see, I have that registered as a Memory Point. and then I realize I can do no more. AAARRRGGGGHHH !!!!!!!!!!!!! Can ANYone help? Thanks Ron