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Limbaugh

I miss the old vortex when it was small, I've been a member of the Phaeton formum since Feb of 04. What you need to realize is the fact that the last Phaetons were shipped to the US in Feb of 06, over 4 years ago. Most posters on the the website now have cars from the 04 period when most were shipped here. Also note that since VW doesn't sell them anymore their Phaeton trained techs are getting scarce. All I can tell you is that during my 2 3 year stints of onership I had no issues at all, only had to bring it in for the 10K free service. Also the fact that the Phaeton site is one of the best managed sites with a TOC for just about everything. And for every topic asking for help there's one about their passion for the car.

Throttle

Where's Waldo

Vishnu

5

OK you have maybe never watched the Megafactories or Ultimate Factories video's if not you can get them off torrents or usenet. After you watch them a few times you can go to Lexus.jp and watch the tahara plant videos. It should take more than a few hours to figure out some of the differences. when I stated that Lambo can be put together with craftsman tools I wasn't kidding watch the video. Then spend time on the forums, in my case about 15 years. A bigger picture develops then shiny plastic parts and leather. It is a culture of making the best that the Japanese can make to show the world. I learned some basic things like I want my auto made with Denso electrics not Bosch or Siemens. Lexus LS engines, transmissions you can find a better engineered and produced drivetrain? If you want to focus on the plastic parts go head when you start to understand the engineering aspects and the motivations of the people building and designing these automobiles you will have a clearer picture. Buy the service manuals and read them do the same for others slowly the light will come on.. Speaking of factory videos, here's a great video done on Discovery HD's Megaworld Germany

Bikini

But it wasn't a used car...it was your car. I mean...you still love them so much and they're your avatar on a Lexus forum. Obviously you preferred them to the Lexus...so why not just keep it? Would have been cheaper than a lease on an LS and you would have the car you wanted. Doesn't make any sense. Thats one of the differences I was talking about with the new cheaper plastics. My old ES300 for instance still looks like new after 7 years and 147,000 miles however when I look at newer Lexus vehicles after a couple years I can see how easily those plastics mar... Who said I paid for my lease? Nuff said.

Pixar

You're still putting money into the equation though. For people who buy a Bentley...money never enters the equation. To compare a Bentley to an LS460 or say you would rather have the LS460 is like saying I'd rather have my rowboat...you can keep that 80' yacht. It doesn't make any sense. If you loved your Phaetons so much and dislike the LS460 so by comparison, why did you get rid of the Phaeton? I mean...its not like it was old. Because my lease was up and I did't want a used car. If the Phaetons were still sold in the US I would have gotton a third. An example of the difference, after three years the interior looked brand new. The LS shows every light scrape etc. on every thing you rub against. The ride on the Phaeton is like a bank vault. Most important, no one knows you're driving an $80k car and for me that's my favorite. People that dis the Phaeton, never owned one, it's that simple.

Classic

P.s., not intended for previous poster

Freemason

Moonshine

My last two cars were the VW Phaeton, the car the Bently Flying Spur was modeled from. The key differences were the Bently came with the W12 turbocharged as well as over the top interior styling. The Phaeton was the best car I've ever driven and only settled on the LS because they quit selling them in the US. Story

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