jfelbab

If you can't deal with some discussion and opposing viewpoints about products then stay out of my detailing forum.

Lets see...You said NXT was a one-step product. I said it wasn't and Meguiar's also said it is not. You intimated that Meguiar's will say anything to make a buck. You did not say all companies do this so why are you surprised that I would suspect that you are biased? You singled out one company in your post.

It would appear to me that you are the one who can't deal with some discussion and opposing viewpoints.

None-the-less, I'll take you up on your offer. Please remove me form the Lexus Owners Forum. I have no time to argue the attributes of a $15 bottle of wax or the propensity of it's manufacturer to lie to it's consumers to make a buck with an overly sensitive moderator.

I thought this forum was a community for discussing and sharing information about detailing and Lexus ownership. My mistake. It apparently is about agreeing with it's mods.

Been a real pleasure.

Jim

You detail cars and use off the shelf products on customers cars ?

I mostly use a lot of the D and Pro lines but NXT is not (yet?) available in those lines. In my short experience with it, NXT works better than #20, is less expensive and goes farther. I even have a couple of customers who ask for it by name now.

I retired a year ago in February so I only do a few of my long time customers/friends cars a week now and only during the warmer months. I spend the colder months in Florida so in essence I take the winter off. I do bring my PC and a small supply of detailing stuff to FL with me. The wife doesn't like that much though.:chairshot:

Actually a quality paint job would include painting all the door jambs and underhood area. You'd never know it was once black.

You can also specify a clearcoat when its resprayed. Not all black has no clear, only Lexus' ;)

Hmmm, that's good to know about the spraying of the door jambs and what not! :D

Why isn't Black Onyx clearcoated?

Scratches and chips stand out on clear-coated black as a white blemish on the black background. They are not nearly as noticeable in single stage black. Black is the softest color of all the paint colors and while they can mar easily, they are also easier to polish out.

That said, I believe Lexus began to clear-coat the Black Onyx (202) beginning in 2000.

When NXT first came out they claimed it had NO cleaners. It was only after pressure from another detailing community after they had tested it that Meguiars apologized for being incorrect and started stating it had cleaners. Remember that Meguiars isn't an unbiased source of information, they are a company designed to make a profit. They originally billed NXT as cleaner-less and having toi admit that it actually has fairly strong cleaning abilities would be very emberassing for them. Trust me, it has fairly significant cleaners in it. Like I said, you can remove tar and sap and even remove some swirls with NXT. Doesn't make it a bad product but it IS basically a cleaner wax.

I've used NXT to remove oxidation and paint defects, so its pretty clear to me that NXT is a cleaner wax. Other sealants I've used including Poorboys EX which has slight cleaners to aid in bonding will not remove defects like NXT does.

Wow, how do I respond without appearing to be dumping on you, SW03ES? With all due respect I strongly disagree with your characterization of NXT and of the Meguiar's company.

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You may wish to disregard the information provided by the manufacturers of products if you wish but in fact, they know more about what is actually in their products than you or I do. So if you call a product a cleaner/wax and someone reads your post and buys the product and doesn't get the cleaning ability you seem to think is there, they will be disappointed in that product and perhaps Meguiar's.

As for removing swirls, I've removed light swirls with nothing more than #26 with a PC, you see the pad provides abrasion and these products typically contain fillers which will hide light swirls.

I've also had NXT Tech Wax since it was introduced and the lab sample before that. Meguiar's has never advertised NXT to be cleanerless. Are you confusing the information provided through MP when it was a lab sample with Meguiar's official product information?

BTW, I've been detailing vehicles for a bit over 45 years. I have used a lot of different products over the years and I'd definitely not reach for NXT if I wanted a cleaner/wax product anymore than I'd reach for PBEX. NXT, like #16, #26 or most LSP products will remove road tar and sap with a PC. Perhaps you would classify them a cleaner/wax too? I'm on my 3rd bottle of NXT and have applied it on a number of my customer's vehicles. Clearly, NXT has very minimal cleaning ability. If you don't prep your finish properly, NXT, or any other LSP product, will have a sub-par shine and a very short life.

You say "Remember that Meguiars isn't an unbiased source of information, they are a company designed to make a profit." Well Meguiar's has been in business since 1908 and offer a 100% money back satisfaction guarantee. Over the years, I've come to realize that I can trust Meguiar's products to perform as advertised and provide good value for both the detailer and the customer. I don't believe I have ever been lied to by them as your statement seems to elude.

Seriously, I don't think your post was fair and unbiased regarding Meguiar's, and not at all appropriate for a moderator.

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Actually NXT works quite well as a one step product as it has moderate cleaners and abrasives in it. Its a "cleaner wax" basically, you can even remove swirls with NXT and a polishing or cutting pad. If you've already prepped the paint beforehand then I'd always reccomend a cleaner-free last step product instead of NXT.

You know SW03ES, that question has been brought up a few times in the Meguiar's forum and here is their official response.

Q. Can NXT Tech Wax be considered a cleaner/wax?

A. No, the cleaners in NXT Tech Wax are very slight. It is in no way as aggressive as any of the Meguiar’s Cleaner Waxes.

NXT Tech Wax is meant for finishes in new, good or excellent condition. It is not formulated to address a wide spectrum of paint defects such as oxidation, whereas a cleaner wax is.

The Tech Wax has cleaners to help eliminate fine scratches and aid in the adhesion of the protectant and produce an optically clear finish.

Meguiar's NXT is definitely my choice of wax but it is NOT a one step product. You should at the very least Clay and follow with a cleaner like MPPC or Deep Crystal Cleaner before applying. Very easy on and off. After applying keep your car dry for at least 12 hours to allow the polymers to bond to the paint. Water is still beading profusely 68 days after I applied NXT Tech Wax to my RX330.

You can get one sent to you for free at the Lexus.com web site. Register and go to the Owners Tab. Log in and go to the owners benefits in the Quick Links tab. The manual is also available on-line.

Happy to see Meguiar's here. I've been detailing cars with Meguiar's products for 45 years. They are a high class company and stand behind their products with a money back guarantee. I find their products diverse and effective and their customer service is second to none.