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New software hiccups, sorry guys!

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Congrats! They're very cool, one of our neighbors has a brand new black one. We need pics! Happens all the time! Its really more of a burden ;)

Its a Tesla...

No...I don't owe you an apology. I have a right to my opinion about religion same as you. Your religion is meaningless to me, sorry. I think its BS, and I think it does far more harm in the world than it does good. I think those that follow it use it to build themselves up and those who agree with them, and tear down those who believe differently. Thats my opinion, and I have a right to it. It has meaning to you and thats great, just keep it to yourself and don't try to shove it down my throat. You're right, this country was founded on religious freedom. I and others have the right to live free from YOUR religion as much as you have a right to practice it. You bang us over the head with your opinions on a consistent basis. You have to learn to take it too. You don't get it because it doesn't involve you. How do you define "traditional family values" without bringing your religion into the discussion? The government does not decide or define what are "legal family values". Values, by their very nature are not something you can enforce. Nobody is trying to tear down you and your family's values, you can live your lives according to whatever values you want to, they just want to live their lives without being FORCED to abide by YOUR values. If all of a sudden muslims or jews got ahold of the level of power in this country christians hold and started promoting their "agenda" the way christians do, influencing legislation, basically having total control over one political party...you'd feel a whole lot different. You actually don't respect the rights of "non-believers". The fact that you call them "non-believers" is proof enough. They're not "non-believers", they just believe differently than you. If you truly respected the rights of people who are different from you, you wouldn't care if they wanted to get married. You wouldn't feel that their marriage diminished the value of your marriage simply because its different. If members of your faith stopped trying to shove their values onto everyone around them, you'd find people who believe differently would treat you with a little more respect.

I've got a good guess....a Toyota Prius v...

Hmmm....tough one...the made in Japan thing is what really has me thrown...

Yes, but we can't just throw other social issues away to the wind in the name of solving our economic problems. There are SIGNIFICANT, and DISTINCT differences between these candidates (well, at least new Romney since he's flip flopped on all social issues since he was Governor, pretty much). They would like to divert the constituency from these things, but they are there. A woman's right to choose, !Removed! rights, civil liberties for the poor and minorities are at risk in this election, the selection of Paul Ryan as a running mate all but proves that. Nobody says it is. All we're saying is women should have the right to decide if an abortion is right for them...the government shouldn't decide for them. They should be able to choose, and pay for an abortion themselves if they decide thats the best thing for them to do. Just like illegal search and seizure of hispanics isn't a problem for you, because you aren't hispanic. An upper middle class, straight white man doesn't have a lot to be afraid of quite frankly. The word is sacred to your religion. Your religion is total bull*BLEEP* and is meaningless to me, so call it whatever you want, your religion should have no bearing on what our government calls it. Thats not quite true, and do you remember something called "separate but equal"? They're not happy because what they have is "almost the same". Not good enough. No, they just don't care about your religion. Your religion is your business, it should have nothing to do with how laws are legislated in this country. Your religion is just that, YOUR religion. If members of your religion didn't persecute them the way they do, and protest military funerals, constantly tell them they're going to hell...maybe they wouldn't want to tear down your religion's values. You have no right to have federal or state laws legislated according to the tenets of your religion. You have a right to not accept a !Removed! couple as married, and say "I don't consider you married because my little black book says its wrong", but the government cannot do the same. I think we should be able to. See, this is a great example of how the GOP has tried to villify people who are educated and experienced. Yes...his wife is a CPA. She knows more about this than you...and perhaps listening to her and not what Cletus at the Diner says would be a good idea. Find an economist that supports the Ryan budget, or the Romney tax plan. Not easy, the GOP try to spin that as "well its these liberal universities, blah blah blah, cutting spending will create jobs", trying to marginalize the viewpoints of all the educated people in this country, or somehow cast some sort of suspicion on people who are educated. Its sad really. Thats how you get moron candidates like Sarah Palin. She shouldn't be allowed to run a Mini Mart...let alone the government. I might have voted for John McCain until she came along...and I might have voted for Romney before Paul Ryan came along. Can't now. My wife hates Obama, and its like she says...she's just not going to vote this year for the first time ever because she can't vote for Paul Ryan.

What are the republicans solutions? Last time I checked...they didn't have any. Republicans don't want to ban !Removed! marriage and outlaw abortions because they're worried about paying for it. Its their little black book telling them what to do. 2012 Republicans=individual freedom...to live one's life the way they think it should be lived.

Of course you don't. To the centrists in this country, its extreme. I'm not talking about the economic stuff, I'm talking about the social stuff.

This is how I feel. The problem with the current crop of tea partier republicans though is in order to get some of the economic policies I like, I have to radically give in on every single social issue that I find important. EVERY one. I want to see spending controlled and the budget balanced as much as the next guy, but I KNOW that won't be agenda 1. Agenda 1 will be doing away with the healthcare bill, abortion, !Removed! marriage, contraception, !Removed! in the military. Massachusetts Romney is a candidate I can vote for, 2012 Romney who picks PAUL RYAN as his running mate is someone I simply cannot even consider voting for. Why do Republicans have to be so extreme?

When you make such a compelling case as that, how could I say no?

I agree, and its become really tiresome. I'm all for a political debate, but this extreme doomsday paranoia and hysteria doesn't interest me. I look at his long tirades and my eyes glass over about two sentences in. I think what bugs me is its not about the issues. A'la nc211...I'm out...

Sure, as do I. What you're missing though is that this isn't about you and me, this is about far bigger fish than us.

That's always been my problem with Romney...spineless. He'll say and do anything to be president. Lol...what a boob.

So you can't establish that the interpretation is a nonpartisan source.

Then talk about these things, don't post this bullsh!t about Kenya and whatever.

Yeah of it has the ML theres an icon on the dash

Hey gang, Went over and drove the ES300h today, the dealer got one in. I liked it overall, not for me though. One thing I noted was how hard it rode compared to my car and the gas car, looking through the displays I found the tire pressure readout (which now reads the actual pressure in all the tires by the way) and saw the PSI was 55! That explained that. In normal driving you really don't feel the differences in the hybrid and gas powertrains, the hybrid is very smooth and the transitions between gas and electric are almost imperceptible. I don't care for the bamboo trim, and I didn't care for the hybrid wheels. I also don't like the way a CVT feels during acceleration. Nothing against it, its just not for me. So, they did have a ES350 optioned the way my 2010 is optioned, silver with grey interior with the better looking liquid graphite 17" wheels. I took that for a spin, I really do like the car a lot. The interior is just great, ride and drive is great as well. MSRP was $43,800...max discount was maybe $500. So, I have 10 months left on my lease. I let them go ahead and appraise the car and run the numbers. Trade in came in where I'd be upside down a little bit, with the lack of discount and even with the high residual (60%, same between the 350 and 300h) we're talking $150 a month more than I'm paying now, which doesn't make sense for me to get out of what I've got early. I'll keep mine for a while, let the payoff get lower, let the 2013s get out a little more and get some bargaining room, and see what we can do.

What!?!? LOL...you have no idea WTF you are talking about. That is the stupidest thing you've ever said . If you think welfare recipients can live anywhere near where nc lives, or where I live...you have no idea what you are talking about. We have some of the highest housing values, and highest rental values in the country. If you want to find welfare recipients...look where you live. You need to realize that was 43 years ago and has absolutely no relevance today. Its not only "better now", its one of if not the most prosperous cities/metro areas in the US. Sure am glad the nice "black" couple stopped you. Thanks for being specific.

Do you have some sort of background for this "bipartisan release"?

This is my concern. Talk about Obama's policies, why you think they don't work all you want...this paranoid rambling " he wants to marginalize the US with his agenda...the weird foreign burial at the beginning of the video BS though is just that...BS. The reason for the fear is that the guy doesn't look like lenore, has a funny sounding name, Thats why. Its bullsh!t, and its not productive in any way. He's just a man, like you and me.

84 is definitely pretty long. I'd never finance a car purchase that long without gap insurance. I would say the norm nowadays is 60 months. Don't do that! You're too young to be cashing out your portfolio to pay things off, especially at low interest rates like 3% on your car or 3.5% on a house. Plus, your mortgage interest is tax deductible, so the effective interest rate is even less. Put 20% down, and leave the rest in your portfolio to build and make you money over time. When you factor in the tax ramifications of cashing the money out all at once on top of the fact that you loose the mortgage deduction and the future compounded interest and growth over the next 30-40 years until you retire (I forget how old you are) it will cost you a FORTUNE to do that. Hell, you're eligible for a VA loan! I wouldn't put anything down, buy it 100% financing, theres no mortgage insurance on a VA loan, and get the seller to pay the funding fee, or cash out just enough to pay it. Don't worry about owning a home outright until you don't have any income to deduct the mortgage interest from anymore...i.e. when you're retired.