Cody

To: Jeff from Texas, Thank you for referring me to the "Thread" on 'Hold/Emergency Brake/Ridiculous" (http://www.clublexus...ridiculous.html). Everyone reading this thread should go to that site to see many other same or similar experiences with the brake "Hold" function. And remember the suggestions for clearing the problem if it inadvertently occurs, before the horns of the cars behind start sounding as soon as the light turns green.(The definition of a 'split-second'). And, thanks for doing the research on other threads, though under a different definition, but containing the same problem. While I was in the borderline retarded catagory when it came to this, my first experience with a "Hold" locking brake, now I know what to do. Apparently, when I kept rapidly shoving the shifter into P and back to D, it worked to release the parking brake. But, that was just blind luck. I see it is also a remedy suggested by others on your referred web site. For those just browsing this thread, to whom the problem hasn't happened yet, you will have done them a great service, and saved them some embarrassment and brake wear. Steve, Mr. Clean, and Steve should also take a look at the Thread site you recommended. Thanks to all for the help. Cody Marine 0333

To:Jeff from Texas, Thanks for your studied input. Now it makes sense, sort of, in that I had the "hold" feature activated for a few blocks on the highway. Your explanation coincides with the approximate amount of time I was on the road, from where I started. From now on, I will just use the "hold" feature 'as needed'. I apparently did not look to see if the 'Parking Brake" warning was displayed, but when you have a line of cars behind you,and the light turns green, I suppose that gets your attention more than checking the system 'notices'. At least now I have a handle on the situation. Thanks again. Cody Marine 0333 To: Mr. Clean and Phil J. All these reactions described, are very helpful to all of us out there. Each helpful action you all have described, makes for a safer and less costly operation of the vehicles. Thank You Very Much, Cody Marine 0333 And to: Steve, Moderator I take your suggestion wholeheartedly. I have the hide of a rhinousorous (sp)... and accept and respect everyone's suggestions, as I did three years ago with the instrument display and speedomoter on my 1993 LS400. One of the simplest, of many, suggestions worked like a charm. However, the caveat should be that one should not dismiss, nor make, any default assumptions about aborting highly technical computer or mechanical driven systems, without a clear understanding of what 'gremlins' or unintended consequences may result, without complete underlying knowledge, irrespective of whether it is a 'one off' situation. We all apreciate alternative experiences and solutions, to the end that one or more may just solve the problem, whether in the 'book' or not. Respectfully, Cody Marine 0333 Cody Marine 0333

See my post about my 2007 LS460 passenger seat phantom movement of last week. Thursday, March 18, 2010, my wife and I were on Highway 111, and came to a stop at a light, "Hold" was activated.Traffic Light turned green, and I started to accelerate, but the car wouldn't move...rapidly checked to see if any RPM was showing...just barely...many cars behind us. I pushed accelerator harder, and car started moving, but under heavy strain. Then, the triangle yellow light comes on...a red light flashed in right lower corner of display..and center info center dislayed "Parking Brake On".(or some such). There was no emergency lane within which to stop, and I continued to next intersection and pulled onto side street. Brakes smoking, and filling car with smell. I moved the shifter in and out of park a few times, and the dash warning lights went out. Continued about 6 more miles to our home, with the acrid smell of burned brakes filling the car...and at home in the garage. I called the Dealer the next morning and both the service advisor and service manager were gone until Monday (March 29. 2010). I will call them then. Please do not tell me,as one person kind of suggested, that these freak happenings did not happen "...because [he] never heard of this happening before. " Cody Marine 0333

I don't think its BS...I've never heard of that happening before either... Picked up the car today and the service manager gave me a printout of the analysis. No electrical faults on any system. Dealer reported to corporate and they had no record of any other problems like I described. However, they did open a "TAS" file and number...which I assume is now allocated to this anomoly...if another one shows up in the future. I am not imagining this! It happened when my daughter was in the front seat, and also happened to me. I am not about to drive 80 minutes r/t on an imaginary problem. I asked about a possible over-amped wire cross-connection, and he said it is covered by a ten amp fuse. We have 18K on the car without a problem...so this may be a one time conundrum. I can't tell, from what you have said so far, if you are aware that there are two sets of controls for each seat. From the perspective of someone sitting in the front passenger seat there are controls along the right lower side of the seat, between the seat base and the passenger door and another set of controls, on the opposite side of the seat back very near the passenger's elbow. Each of these control clusters are capable of moving the seat as you described. The driver's seat has a similar set of controls - mirror image arrangement. Is it possible that you had something like a coat of a package on the center console and that was pressing on the controls? And it is also possible for someone sitting in the back seat behind the driver to access the controls for the front passenger seat. No, there was nothing on the consol. I am aware of the inside seat controls. My daughter did not have a bag or purse resting on it. When we came back from the airport, I was in the passenger seat...nothing on the consol. Actually the inside seat controls are too high for an elbow to 'inadvertently' contact those controls. These movements were abrupt! But see my next post about the parking brake problem yesterday. I am not an automotive hypocondriac. These things are happening, and have nothing to do with Toyots' recent problems.

I don't think its BS...I've never heard of that happening before either... Picked up the car today and the service manager gave me a printout of the analysis. No electrical faults on any system. Dealer reported to corporate and they had no record of any other problems like I described. However, they did open a "TAS" file and number...which I assume is now allocated to this anomoly...if another one shows up in the future. I am not imagining this! It happened when my daughter was in the front seat, and also happened to me. I am not about to drive 80 minutes r/t on an imaginary problem. I asked about a possible over-amped wire cross-connection, and he said it is covered by a ten amp fuse. We have 18K on the car without a problem...so this may be a one time conundrum.

After I get the word from the dealer tomorrow (Friday or Sat?) I will post the dealers response. When I called to get the appointment, the service guy said he had never heard of this before. It may be BS, but will find out.

Mike, Actually it was weird...but my thought was if the driver's seat did the same at max (legal) speed, this would not be a pretty picture. I take ittothedealer tomorow morning. Threee things: Seat movement; Terrible navigation system...always takes you in the wrong direction...but when you get within 300 yrds. it starts working: and third: the 'oil change' lights are opn at 2800 miles, and I have synthetic oil which should be good for 7,500 to 10,000 miles. I see the same problems all over the Forum. Cody

This evening the passenger seat of my '07 LS460 moved backward, with no one at the controls. 5 minutes later it did it again. 25 minutes later it again moved, and again a few minutes after that. Then, the seatback moved backward, almost to a 45* angle. After the third time, I jiggled all the side levers to make sure they were in the neutral position. It still happened. Any thoughts. I plan to take itto a dealer tomorrow. Concerned possible electrical fault may heat up wires or harness, and be a potential fire hazzard. Any help if others have experienced this problem. Cody Marine 0333

Thanks everyone. I talked with Jim Walker and he says it is a common problem. He has the fix. For our trip home, before I remove the instrument cluster and send it to him, I will try the "thumping theory" to see if I can jiggle the needle to start, so the speedo will temporarily work. Cody

93 LS 400. Had the instrument cluster re-done by Jim Walker last year. Everything now worked perfectly. Now, all of a sudden the speedometer needle does not move off of 0. Any help appreciated. Cody