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That's a great point. Here's my deal. I've got just under 29k miles and mentioned to them that the TSIB for brake dust coverage is up to 50k miles and they agreed. I've seen the clueless part with other dealers and have come to think it's part of the game to not immediately acknowledge some of these components to let the customer say what needs to be said and not do more. I'm actually getting the work done tomorrow morning and have reserved a loaner car. I tend to agree with you that you don't want the rotors turned much. I know Honda's/Acura's only survive one turn at most before needing replacement. Lexus is probably similar. The notes on my invoice indicate the following: "Guest states there is excessive brake dust and noise from front brakes" - update pad/shim set separately, they're performing two additional campaigns... 1. 9LB rear brake slide pin update (replace rear brake caliper sliding pin for possible sticking) 2. 9LA fuel rail update

Anyone recall if the dealer turned the rotors during the TSIB change or did they just slap on the new brakes and hand the car back? Normally they turn the rotors on any brake job, but not sure about the TSIB case.

Thanks a lot. Good tip.

Thanks, good point. When I checked them, they were right at 30psi. It's a bit odd to me that the fronts require a lower pressure than the rear tires, but perhaps I'm missing something.

Hi, I just replaced my front tires at 29k, rears are still fine and both are the 18in summer version. The fronts were actually fine in the center, but both the inner/outer areas were worn, which indicates to me that the tires were underinflated. The pressure signal never came on while I've had the car and I understand the system is designed to indicate faults, turn on the maintenance light, and not indicate which tire it is to force users to double check all tires while you're at it. Now, with that said, wondering if anyone has had this problem? I saw a TSIB for the tire pressure sensor, but not sure if it's related. Let me know your thoughts.

Thanks a lot!

How many miles did you have when you got the pads replaced under TSIB?

Honestly if it is performing well and there is no shimmy when stopping and the problem is just cosmetic...I would wait for the pads to die. And about the rotors being resurfaced they should last a while. The pads on the 350 are softer for better performance which leads to more brake dust....but i'm not sure but the stock pads I think are non-metallic or organic which are alot friendlier to rotors which should help them last longer. Thanks, that's sound advice. I got similar feedback from local folks that I talked to in person. I hear the dealers always turn the rotors when changing pads as they don't want to carry any liability of a customer complaining about not doing a thorough job, perhaps being on the "too safe" side of repairs, etc. The mechanics I talked to, including one at a Toyota dealer mentioned he tries to just keep to pad changes until there is physical evidence of pulsations or visible defects that need to be addressed.

Well I checked with a few other sources and the slight lip is not a problem therefore doesn't warrant getting the rotor turned. Not to mention, I called a few machine shops and they do rotor turns for $10 - $16 a rotor if even needed. In your case, I think the dealer is BSing you. I keep hearing from good sources that Lexus/Toyota rotors are quite good and do hold up. The pads are obviously a softer material than the rotors. I'm not sure what the dealer means by the rotors being soft. That doesn't sound right. Unless you have pulsations when you hit the brakes and you don't see any visual defects on the rotor, it very likely does not need to be turned. I would just replace the brake pads.

Thanks, that's good to know. I will poke around. Were you happy with the workmanship at Napa?

Good point. If you bought the car new, then you would know as XM radio needs to be purchased separately. The dash is pre-equipped with an AM/SAT combo button, but it does not mean you have XM setup. It's actually a separate box that gets installed in the car. I have one but got it when I ordered the car. It was about a $300 - $400 option if I recall. Then, you get a few months free, then they start billing you. The satellite antenna is on the roof just as you stated, so the coverage is quite good compared with aftermarket units that you place on the dash or somewhere else. TIS is the Toyota technical site that has repair manuals you can download. I believe it's $10 per 24 hour period, so you could get in there and download as much as you can within that window including the satellite install guide. Then, check with iron toad.com for pricing.

Looking for a machine shop in the east bay who can turn rotors if I bring just the rotors in? Some shops that I've called don't want to deal with that and would rather charge me to do the whole job. I just want to take these in for a quick turn if needed. Let me know.

I have an IS 350 with a very slight lip forming on the disc as I run my finger over the edge. I've got 25k miles and looking to understand two things... 1. Should I machine off the lip now and change the pads to match? or 2. Not bother with the "very" slight lip and wait until the pads need to be changed before turning the rotor? I'm also not sure how durable Lexus/Toyota rotors are to turning? I recall Acura's rotors were quite weak and after two turns, it needed to be replaced.

Anyone aware of how durable the rotors are? On the Honda/Acura side, the rotors could only be turned 2 times max before needing replacement. Typically, unless you've had erratic driving patterns, you won't need them turned, rather just a simple brake pad change is needed. I'm sure the Lexus dealers recommend turns every time a brake change is needed, but not sure this is reality? Anyone aware?

Thanks Rafiki, I ended up just using my floor jack off the side jack point as you mentioned with some jack stands for safety. I'm glad I had the toyota filter wrench as the dealer had really torqued on the housing, so any generic tool might have stripped it.