Lexusfreak Posted January 29, 2010 Author Posted January 29, 2010 Bottom line the way I see things If I am honest...with all the media attention this has gathered, I found that Toyota...itself (including it's PR people & right up & including it's new President Akio Toyoda - the Grandson of Toyota's founder no less!) & it's dealers came across as severly 'dazed & confused'...the service departments are the 'front lines' that deal with this sort of thing...that's Toyota's responsibility to relate all relevent info to it's dealers (or come out with a comprehensive & easy to understand statement which at the beginning they did not) to assure worried customers...to say that the floor mat recall is not related to the accelerator pedal recall was simply nowhere near good enough & possibly even confused things even more. The events that transpired lately left me with the impression that even Toyota Head Office didn't know what the hell was going on...nor how to handle things on both fronts...the floor mat & accelerator pedal issues...granted we are talking about millions of vehicles here & many models over their product line...but the floor mat recall was issued last year & the vehicles effected represent roughly 60% of Toyota's sales in North America, not to mention that credible complaints have been documented for over a year now with deaths occuring because of the accelerator problem! :chairshot: I sincerely hope Toyota learns from their 'public relations' mistakes should something this serious ever happen again...but I think many customers will be shopping other competitors at least in the near term...time will tell what severity this will have on resale values & Toyota's overall reputation long term...It should be interesting.
SW03ES Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 I personally am thinking this might just be the time for me to get a new Lexus lol
Lexusfreak Posted January 29, 2010 Author Posted January 29, 2010 I personally am thinking this might just be the time for me to get a new Lexus lol I bet you'd be able to get a ton of free stuff too Steve! I like your thinking my friend! B)
SW03ES Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 I might just give it a shot and see lol... HID light just burned out on mine ;)
Lexusfreak Posted January 29, 2010 Author Posted January 29, 2010 I might just give it a shot and see lol...HID light just burned out on mine ;) What are you thinking of purchasing? An LS?
The G Man Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 It's still early in this process, but I'd have to say that a "design" problem, it is not Of course it is a design problem, that is why Toyota have re-design the parts and plan to install the new re-design part on all the recalled cars.
Lexusfreak Posted January 29, 2010 Author Posted January 29, 2010 Here is a link to two pictures of accelerator assemblies...the CTS version & the Denso... http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/whats-wro...sembly-edition/ Also, I mentioned previously that I don't think this recall is over just yet & would probably be expanded...well here you go... http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/toyotas-r...n-japan-models/
The G Man Posted January 29, 2010 Posted January 29, 2010 The Denso unit seems to have a much larger pivot point which means it has a larger and heavier duty bearing or a rotation device. My guess is that it is that bearing or rotation device that is getting stuck or jam.
Lexusfreak Posted January 29, 2010 Author Posted January 29, 2010 It definately looks more heavy duty that's for sure.
SW03ES Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 I think the LS is pretty insulated from this issue. I was thinking a new ES.
Lexusfreak Posted January 30, 2010 Author Posted January 30, 2010 I think the LS is pretty insulated from this issue. I was thinking a new ES. I'd bet the ranch & raise you my ES that the LS is not part of this Steve. Then again, I would have bet $$$ on your vehicle would be an LS. ;)
SW03ES Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Thats what I definitely want, but I'm not ready for $1,000 a month payments yet. Not enough confidence this recession is over ;)
RX in NC Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 The recession is far from over. Sit tight with your current vehicles through 2010 and wait for a potentially better economy in 2011.... or 2012....
SW03ES Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 Yeah we just paid off the Prius...so we're car payment free. I'm in no hurry to change that. I hear ya Steve....that is a good feeling. :)
SOMEONE ELSE'S GOT MY NAME Posted January 30, 2010 Posted January 30, 2010 I think the LS is pretty insulated from this issue. I was thinking a new ES. Who knows, After all, our hybrid RX is built (i believe) on the camry platform. How many other Lexus products are similarly built on Toyota platforms. .
Lexusfreak Posted January 31, 2010 Author Posted January 31, 2010 I think the LS is built on it's own platform...I seriously doubt the current recalls apply. Steve....car payment free is an awesome feeling! B)
The G Man Posted January 31, 2010 Posted January 31, 2010 The LS's gas pedal looks totally different from the Camry, its much bigger. I doubt the LS have the same pedal, after all, the LS is Lexus flagship and it should have the best of everything.
SW03ES Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 The LS pedal is hinged at the bottom, like the V8 GS. Totally different pedal. The ES is built on the Camry platform, the RX has been until the 2010, and the GX and LX share platforms with the 4 Runner and Land Cruiser. The LS, IS, GS, SC are all on Lexus-specific platforms...
Lexusfreak Posted February 1, 2010 Author Posted February 1, 2010 Toyota's Official Announcement... http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/toyotas-o...l-announcement/ And this is very interesting... http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/exclusive...e-recalled-too/ TTAC took apart both the Denso & CTS units (rumor is more will be recalled)...
The G Man Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 Well, this certainly doesnt make me feel any better. From that second link, the Denso unit actaully looks cheaper than the CTS unit that is being recall. I cannot believe these are $15 gas pedals installed on these cars, I would much rather pay more for a safer gas pedal if I had a choice. The gas pedal and brake are not a very good place for cost cutting in my opinion.
Lexusfreak Posted February 1, 2010 Author Posted February 1, 2010 I agree...I was diappointed to see the differences between the two units myself. Thought the Denso unit would be much more robust...but it does not appear to be the case. Kudo's to TTAC for doing that experiment too.
tim john Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 On the letter on the Toyota web site about the recall states , no Lexus division or Scion vehicles are affected. Nothing on the Lexus site. I thought the ES and IS were in the recall. Tim
SW03ES Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 No, the ES and IS were in the previous recall for the floor mats...not this recall. I smell a rat personally. Looking at those units deconstructed...I don't buy its the accelerators at all.
tim john Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 yes, something seem strange. I would like to see a video of someone testing an es 350 and doing a panic shutdown of the car, hard to re make a crash, Tim
SW03ES Posted February 1, 2010 Posted February 1, 2010 Try it yourself. Just put it in neutral on the highway and see what happens...
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