Hi Guys;

I read on another Forum that Lexus will change out the brake pads on '05 - '07 IS's if you tell them they create too much dust and you want the less dusty
pads.

This true in your experience?

Thanks... Saddlebum

06 - 08 Yes they will. They have two options, less dust or no squeaking. I chose the latter

06-09.

Here's the TSIB I used for my '07.

Great to know, that black dust is a b*tch. Gonna get my front pads replaced, but I noticed it says not to expect the same performance. Think I should stick w/my current pads? Wonder how much life is left in 'em...

replacement pads work the same. if your pads are too worn, they will NOT replace them for free under the TSIB. The TSIB works like the warranty does--items in need of replacement due to normal wear and tear are not covered.

The replacement pads work fine. Just do it.

Beautiful, thanks.

I went in and complained about the excessive squeaking they were doing, and the back ones were replaced under the TSIB. I had no issues after that.

yea... i did it too
mine were squeaking bad, took it down and they did it for free.

Went in this morning and complained about the excessive black brake dust, no problems getting them to cover it under warranty. Decided to delay them actually changing them a few weeks - Has anyone noticed an obvious difference in braking performance after having them changed? With the pads that are on right now I find the braking superior to any vehicle I have ever driven.

I had them change mine a while back for the dust issue. I got the new TSIB replacement kit they put together and I actually liked the new pads better. They stop the car just as well as before, but I noticed that they aren't quite as grabby in real slow traffic, and stop and go circumstances. The car more just comes to a nice even stop, where as before the end of the stop seemed to be a bit to much bite. I've had them on the car now for almost a year, and when I get them replaced I want the same pads on again no question. They're also about 99% better in the brake dust issue.

Great to know. Thanks!

I just had my brakes replaced and they asked if I wanted the same high performance brakes or the less noisy, I opted for the latter.

How many miles did you have when you got the pads replaced under TSIB?

15,000

10K

Thanks a lot!

Anyone recall if the dealer turned the rotors during the TSIB change or did they just slap on the new brakes and hand the car back? Normally they turn the rotors on any brake job, but not sure about the TSIB case.

The 2008 IS250's are covered under TSIB since September 24th, 2008. I'll find the TSB and post. I called my local Lexus Dealer (Kearny Mesa Lexus in San Diego) and they were clueless as usual when it came to being up to speed with TSIB's. I have 18,000 miles on my 2008 and they claimed that the usual wear would render them dead under normal conditions driving between 15,000 to 20,000 miles. So I had to do some digging to find TSIB support.

I have an appointment this Friday to get them changed out. Is turning the rotors a reasonable option or should I ask them to replace the rotors since the rotors can be turned typically only two or three times before they become too thin.

That's a great point. Here's my deal. I've got just under 29k miles and mentioned to them that the TSIB for brake dust coverage is up to 50k miles and they agreed. I've seen the clueless part with other dealers and have come to think it's part of the game to not immediately acknowledge some of these components to let the customer say what needs to be said and not do more.

I'm actually getting the work done tomorrow morning and have reserved a loaner car. I tend to agree with you that you don't want the rotors turned much. I know Honda's/Acura's only survive one turn at most before needing replacement. Lexus is probably similar.

The notes on my invoice indicate the following:
"Guest states there is excessive brake dust and noise from front brakes"
- update pad/shim set

separately, they're performing two additional campaigns...

1. 9LB rear brake slide pin update (replace rear brake caliper sliding pin for possible sticking)

2. 9LA fuel rail update

If the rotors aren't scored or warped why turn em?

I have a 08 IS250, the fronts disc are very dusty.
I am going to use Napa's Adaptive 1 pads and
put Rotor Works drilled and slotted rotors.
My rotors were delivered this week.
Now, I waiting for Napa now to make the front pads.

http://www.adaptive-1.com/index.html

http://rotorwork.net/

I'm glad I asked this question and got good advice... thank you.

I had my pads replaced and my wheels stay clean for weeks now, instead of days as before.

I notice NO difference in brake performance.

Interestingly, the Service Person read me a statement that stated "Braqke performance may be reduced." When I said; "Do it anyway" he said "You're the first person who has taken this option. Let me know how it works out."

Seems like Lexus is scaring many people away from a sensible "fix" with lawer induced scare tactics.

This website ROCKS! Just bought a used 07 250AWD & I am getting a ton of great info here. Thanks!

Seems like their scare tactic is working 'cause I decided to not get my brake pads replaced when I heard there would be a drop in braking performance. Now that I have some reassurance from you that this is not the case i'm gonna go ahead with the swap. Thanks for the info.

Okay I had my brake pads changed yesterday to these replacement ones that don't give off as much brake dust. I TOTALLY NOTICE A DIFFERENCE IN BRAKING PERFORMANCE. Mind you, I shouldn't complain since I only had about 20% life left in my old pads. But once these new pads wear out I am definately going back to the original pads, the braking power on those was awesome. Now I have to drop more weight on the pedal to get the same response

New pads will take a few miles to bed in properly. I'm not saying that's why you're feeling a difference (because I admit I felt NO difference with the TSIB replacements), but let us know after about 100-200 miles. By the way, did they replace your rotors? That could be the difference, too.

My rotors are in good shape so I only had the pads replaced. I would be really happy if braking performance improves after a while. My old brake pads, they were awesome, true Lexus performance

All comments or questions regarding brake pad performance should be referred to Sir Knightshade.

Didn't he invent the brake?

Yes he did.

Sorry to beat a old thread with a stick, but i just came back from the dealership with 13222 mileage and they refused to replace my brakes for free. They said the brakes i have right now are worn down to the metal. Should i just get them replaced out of pocket or try another lexus dealer near me? Thanks for the help!

I don't think the program will replace the pads if they are worn below a certain thickness.

that sucks considering excessive brake dust comes from over wearing the brake pads, so worn brakes is part of the problem...

The TSB is just like a warranty item--they won't replace parts due to normal wear and tear. I think if you paid to normally replace the OEM pads, THEN came back to do the TSB, they'd have to do it free THEN.

Maybe though another dealer might do it for you in order to get your future service business. It might be worth a try.

Thankfully my front brake pads still had 30% of life left in 'em when I got 'em changed for free. But once these new ones are done i'm definately gonna go back to using the original pads (if I can still get my hands on them?), the responsiveness was great compared to these

Just do them yourself. I just did my brakes this past weekend and it's sickenly easy on the 350, I was suprised. I took the rotors off and had them resurfaced, cost $18 for the pair, brake pads cost about $60, overall it was an $80 job and my brakes are better than they were before. I had a slight warp in the front rotors and they are now fixed to perfection. FYI I used the Duralast Gold pads from Autozone, it's the best ceramic pads they make and I couldn't be happier.

I just wasted a trip to the dealer today for them to tell me my brakes were too worn to get free ones under the TSB (35k miles). Ok. So then they quoted me $600 for a brake job, saying that since the rotors that come on the IS are "non-turnable" I have to replace pads and rotors. Anyone know anything about this?

Just an FYI...

It really depends on the dealer. I just took my '08 in for another issue, (broken wheel and destroyed tire from road debris, but that's another story!), and while it was there, I asked if they could do the brake TSB. My car has a little over 13k on the clock, but they warranted the pads anyway. They did advise that I have the rotors replaced, but I opted to pass on that, at least at the dealer.

Apparently, according to the dealer, the rotors come stock at a pretty close tolerance, and as a result, need to be replaced at each brake service. Smart from the manufacturer's standpoint. A small amount less steel per rotor, times x amount of rotors = more money in pocket, not to mention a few hundred dollars to replace the rotors each time.

Ahhh... the wonders of planned obsolescence!!

That's really good to know! I'm curious did the shop say anything about the rotors being very close to minimal tolerance once they were turned?

There is a spec on the rotor thickness in the tech manual. If they can be turned and stay within tolerance, they usually will be. If you go out and heat em up and warp really badly, they aren't worth turning anyway. It kinda depends on the driver.

Which dealer are you using?

It is true, but the officer from the service dept at Longo Lexus told me that cuz the material, it will make squeeking noise (which i dont really understnd), im still waiting to worn my breaks more than go change it, hope this help

Well, of course they did. 13,000 mi on your brake pads is not near the normal replacement time.

Makes sense, but it still seemed like a lot of miles for them to do the TSB fix... and as some have found, a few dealers will not do it with that many miles. I drive pretty aggressively, and I'm sure that my pads were pretty worn.