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Mercury Chariot
I've had my LS-460 since Dec 07 and complained out the gate of a rotten egg smell during heavy acceleration (like turning the air off and hitting the power inject button and flooring it to 120) and got a really bad smell in the cabin with the air off (No! was not from the passenger or the driver!) Even get it with the air on. Dealer told me that the 5 catalytic converters and the gas contribute and to Run it in 4th or 5th for a couple of hours and the heat should burn off the smell. Also try Chevron or Shell gas only. Tried it all and it still smells bad. I think it is vortexing from the exhaust into the trunk seals and into the cabin. Any one have any suggestions?

Also, the breaks have been replaced 3 times by the dealer at no charge. Seems like at low speeds (creeping) at lights or stop signs that I get a noticeable Clunk Clunk noise with a little feed back from the break peddle. The car speed itself is not affected at all. Dealer said that it is loose break pads and is ready to put in a fourth set. It sounds almost like an electrical arc / servo Clunk. Any suggestions?

Looking forward to responses.

Greg R.
thomas.ahart
The rotten egg smell is normal. Lexus released a TSB about both a while ago...here is the one about the brakes. I'll try and find the other one.
cobber1
I now agree about the rotten egg smell. It only happened during heavy acceleration while I was chasing down another BMW but the dealer showed me the TSB. My only concern is that the floor board appears to get hot as well.
ED.
My moms 4Runner got that rotten egg smell ALL the time. It was terrible. She always said it was the cats and being however old I was I agreed. Weird it is still happening.

Hope you get it all worked out.
ihatekimch
I can't help you on smell problem, but I may can help you on brakes. wink.gif
I had same issue like yours. First, I took my car down to Newport Lexus and they performed
TSIB, which was replacing pads. It didn't help any. mad.gif
After that, I took my car down to Westminster LExus. I talk to guy name Peter, I think he was tech manager.
He was very helpful and he really cared about my problem. He was very smart and also cool fellow.
Anyways, he replaced ABS actuator assembly and it helped, no more clunk clunk noise. biggrin.gif
Well, talk to your service guy and if he feels fish about it, then tell him to call Peter at Westminster Lexus. 714-892-5500
Good Luck and let us know.
460LEX
You must be Leasing the car, sounds like your out to beat the hell out of it. I am curious when did you get the first oil change?
malibudoc
I've had the same break problem w/ my LX460 as Greg. The TSB posted has no impact on remedying the problem. First dealer tells me they cannot reproduce the problem. At my insistence they drove the car for a couple of days and confirmed noise and pedal feedback. They put the plates behind the pads, which did not fix the problem. After numerous visits, they claimed it was some pump. They ordered a part (?don't know what?) and the noise abated. After 6 months the noise now recurs. Dealer claims they ordered new parts but after a month they still haven't arrived. I'm frustrated.
Doc C.
NicLX470
There is nothing wrong with any of your cars.
that smell is a byproduct of the sulfur that is in the fuel............all fuel. Changing brands will not do one bit of good.

For a little knowledge of how a modern ecu in a car works... 99% of your driving is done in whats called "closed loop" mode... the ecu looks at airflow from the mass air sensor, estimates the engines fuel requirements by plotting airflow, rpm and engine load on a preset fuel map and opens the injectors for that set amount of time... it then looks at the data from the oxygen sensors to see how completely burnt the fuel was - the more burnt it was, the leaner the mix, the less burnt, the richer the mix... it measures the oxygen content in the exhaust to do this, and it is looking for stoichiometric, which is 14.7 parts air to 1 part fuel ratio... anything below this is rich, anything above is lean - lean is good for fuel mileage, but not so good for keeping an engine healthy... once it sees how good the map was at estimating fuel requirements, then it modifies it... typically it will shoot rich, see if it was rich, then it will shoot a little leaner, see how well it does, then rich, then lean - its almost impossible to get it perfect every time, so it bounces from rich to lean pretty consistently... this is why an air/fuel ratio gauge bounces back and forth while at idle or cruise...

Now....for those times when you want to smoke the Beamer or Benz next to you, (1%) of driving is done in whats called "open loop" mode... this is reserved for high amounts of throttle or wide open throttle... here, the computer abandons the oxygen sensor readings and only looks at the airflow and its preset map... because oxygen sensors are only accurate at stoichiometric (unless you have a wideband, which most cars do not come with from the factory), the programmers of the ecu decided that to save the health of the engine, they would shoot for somewhere between 10:1 and 12.5:1 for high loads on the engine....ok, so, open loop, no feedback from the oxygen sensors because we are operating outside of their accuracy range... also, a byproduct of this is that unburnt fuel makes it through the engine, sometimes to be somewhat reburnt in the catalytic converter making it get real hot... so, real hot catalytic converter plus sulfur in the unburnt fuel equals bad smelling exhaust, rotten eggs, to be specific...

It is not bad and it is not going to hurt anything - high temperatures can actually help keep a catalytic converter free from contaminants.
mann777
here is the copy of the TSB given by lexus for all models. Also dont break your head into this, I had exactly the same problem, they replaced it under warranty.They replaced the Catalytic Converter assy within the exhaust pipes, It was replaced under the Major Emission Control Component Warranty that is 96 months or 80,000 mile coverage, whichever occurs first. All the crap about fuel change was bull story. There was a defect within the CCs. Which I think Lexus realised it late as intially they had mentioned about Fuel change in the TSB
nc211
Us V8 4runner guys have been stinkin' up the place with this issue for years! We have a TSB for new cats that are covered under the same warranty. Some have had the proceedure done, but the smell seemed to come back after time. I read somewhere that it is a product of the fact that these are exceptionally clean emission cars. Maybe I heard that from SWO? I'm not sure. But eitherway, you guys think your car stinks, try having one that allows you to lower the back window, and then stomp on the gas! HOLY COW! That smell will actually burn the inside of your nose!

But look on the bright side of this, which is why I won't mess with the new cats approach on my 4runner: It's a GREAT way to deal with tailgaters! One of my favorite things about the 4runner is the ability to pop that baby in neutral and give it a couple redline revs and watch those tailgater scramble to fall back or pass you! It's like dropping a fart-bomb in their lap! It's one of those little things in life that I enjoy! wink.gif
XMarcoX
QUOTE (thomas.ahart @ Apr 23 2008, 09:37 PM) *
The rotten egg smell is normal. Lexus released a TSB about both a while ago...here is the one about the brakes. I'll try and find the other one.


Thank you for the update on the brakes. I had my LS since march of 07, but now I just started to drive it everyday since a change in my work pattern. The brake noise is really a pain. Now I know it was me?

JOE biggrin.gif
nal
QUOTE (mann777 @ Jul 7 2009, 12:12 AM) *
here is the copy of the TSB given by lexus for all models. Also dont break your head into this, I had exactly the same problem, they replaced it under warranty.They replaced the Catalytic Converter assy within the exhaust pipes, It was replaced under the Major Emission Control Component Warranty that is 96 months or 80,000 mile coverage, whichever occurs first. All the crap about fuel change was bull story. There was a defect within the CCs. Which I think Lexus realised it late as intially they had mentioned about Fuel change in the TSB


The smell is H2S a very toxic dangerous gas.....
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